At least now, we know whom to blame

[arnie]

Reports from the CBA talk say that the discussions have centered on examining team finances and the Levitt report. This, of course, is just what the NHLPA should have been doing last summer and what the NHL asked him to do. Why didn't they? The answer is Goodenow. He thought that the NHL would cave and he'd get what he wanted. Now the NHLPA, with or without Goodenow, are finally getting around to getting the financial facts that Goodenow spent a year dismissing as nonsense.

There can now be now doubt that Goodenow's obstinance is the reason that the NHL shut down for a year. He clearly was no interested in learning any facts or negotiating in good faith. It was he, not the NHL, that was trying to break the other side and couldn't have cared less what the reality of the situation really is.

Goodnow bears the blame for the lost season. All of it.

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[sveiglar]

Goodenow bears the blame for the lost season. All of it.

Nonsense. Think something this big happens because only one side is diddling the time away? No side gets off scot free on this one.

 

[tantalum]

Actually I agree with it being put on Goodenow. Burke said it best on vancouver radio during this whole thing. You don't go into a negotiation ignorant of the other sides position and think you are going to win. That's what Goodenow did. Even if he ends up not agreeing with the numbers you atleast have to familiarize yourself with exactly how those numbers came about. The PA didn't do that and as a result got caught with their pants down in this negotiation.

 

[Tiki]

Nonsense. Think something this big happens because only one side is diddling the time away? No side gets off scot free on this one.

Yes, regardless of the out come, I would like ot see both Bob and Gary finding employment elsewhere when its all done. This whole thing has been a mess from the begining.

 

[Ola]

Reports from the CBA talk say that the discussions have centered on examining team finances and the Levitt report. This, of course, is just what the NHLPA should have been doing last summer and what the NHL asked him to do. Why didn't they? The answer is Goodenow. He thought that the NHL would cave and he'd get what he wanted. Now the NHLPA, with or without Goodenow, are finally getting around to getting the financial facts that Goodenow spent a year dismissing as nonsense.

There can now be now doubt that Goodenow's obstinance is the reason that the NHL shut down for a year. He clearly was no interested in learning any facts or negotiating in good faith. It was he, not the NHL, that was trying to break the other side and couldn't have cared less what the reality of the situation really is.

Goodnow bears the blame for the lost season. All of it.

Personally the I feel the owners bears like 97% of the blame. Nobody have ever put a gun to their head when negotiating a deal. They want a idiot proof system. Why should the NHLPA be blamed for not wanting to give them that?

You are confussing leverege with whats "fair"....

 

[GKJ]

Goodnow bears the blame for the lost season. All of it.

Yes. He is the one who locked out the players. He is the one saying the owners are poor and can't control their spending.

 

[CGG]

Goodnow bears the blame for the lost season. All of it.

And what makes you think Goodenow would have learned about the Levitt report and instantly decided to roll over on everything and cave in? That's what would have had to happen last September to save the season. Even if he wasn't interested in the Levitt Report, he made a proposal to lower salaries to get them where the league wanted them. Not the greatest of proposals, sure. But even if the PA studied the report for weeks, that would not have convinced them at that time that they had to accept a salary cap the owners wanted and that absolutely nothing would work except for 54% linkage.

 

[joepeps]

And what makes you think Goodenow would have learned about the Levitt report and instantly decided to roll over on everything and cave in? That's what would have had to happen last September to save the season. Even if he wasn't interested in the Levitt Report, he made a proposal to lower salaries to get them where the league wanted them. Not the greatest of proposals, sure. But even if the PA studied the report for weeks, that would not have convinced them at that time that they had to accept a salary cap the owners wanted and that absolutely nothing would work except for 54% linkage.

lol i'm sure the post starter was there and ask BOB if it was his fault and he said yes....

lol people only look at 1 side, and for me there looking at the wrong side.... BOB G's job is to get the PA the best deal he can..... and he is doing that.... that last ditch effort to save the season was a BS offer by the Owners at 42.5 cap which included all salaries Injured list, farm team making over 800K, bonus, signings and the kitchen sink... it was bogus and outrageous.... not to meanstion 2 way salary arbitration (which I agree with), and FA at 30 (which I don't agree with).. plus more things that we don't know about....

Linkage is the best way to get this done.. if the league doesn't hide number (and i'm sure they will some how)

 

[Dr Love]

There can now be now doubt that Goodenow's obstinance is the reason that the NHL shut down for a year. He clearly was no interested in learning any facts or negotiating in good faith.

Yes, because the owners were a shining example of negotiating in good faith. Please.

It was he, not the NHL, that was trying to break the other side and couldn't have cared less what the reality of the situation really is.

If anything, it was the owners who would rather break the union.

As sveiglar said, both sides are to blame on this, no one comes out scott free. They're both idiots.

 

[chara]

When a deal is struck, Goodenow's tenure as NHLPA head will end within a year.

The same can not be said of Bettman. He did exactly what the owners wanted. He wanted a cap 10 years ago and he was vetoed. Not this time. He put in measures to protect the owners from themselves. He will argue that this fight is the same fight David Stern had with the NBAPA over 15 years and the NBA has grown leaps and bounds over that time.

Now that he's 'refinanced' the NHL, Bettman will get "4 more years" to reinvent and remarket it. Goodenow is gone...back to chasing ambulances for a living.

 

[Gee Wally]

good grief...use the rant thread.