He's probably going to be Canada's starter for WJC, right?
Looking forward to that. Especially if we get Bourgault and L'HEREAUX together on a line. Sorry about the caps auto completes fault.It would seem pretty likely in my opinion.
Looking forward to that. Especially if we get Bourgault and L'HEREAUX together on a line. Sorry about the caps auto completes fault.
I'm really unsure things have been disrupted so much I'm clueless at this point. Always was but this time I didn't have a chance.I don't know quite what to make of Team USA's WJC team, I think Canada's is going to be one of their more balanced and stronger teams in a while.
Yeah. But just taking some good goalies doesn’t mean we are doing that.
Also, if the Habs any other GM than Bargain Bin… their defense would not have been Weber-Chiarot- Edmundson-Petry.
you would chuck out Chiarot for Sergachev and Edmundson for Mcdonagh.
I mean, without some truly awful trades on that defense, Montreal would be in a much better place.
I'm starting to sense a pattern here.
I am pretty pissy about it to be honest. We desperately need center help. Why do we refuse to take a risk at the position. It does not effing matter what you have in net if your center depth is non existent. It means absolutely zilch. We have all seen the even semi proven goalies can be had relatively cheap. This is the first time I’ve been mad at Steve Yzerman.
To put it into perspective out of all the goalies ever taken in the first round only 6 goalies have over 350 wins. Out of all the goalies drafted in the first there have been 14 goalies that played 6 or less games total! 14!!!!!!!
There are always goalies available.
Drafting goalies in the first round is pretty rare, and the success rate of it looks to be a little worse than 50-50 over the past 20 years.
Here is a list of all the goalies I could find drafted in the 1st round and their # of NHL games played.
Marc Andre Fleury - 900 GP
Carey Price - 729 GP
Cam Ward - 701 GP
Kari Lehtonen - 649 GP
Tuuka Rask - 571 GP
Seymon Varlamov - 543GP
Devan Dubnyk - 542 GP
Cory Schneider - 409 GP
Jonathan Bernier - 393 GP
Anrei Vasilevskiy - 325 GP
Pascal Leclaire - 173 GP
Al Montoya - 168 GP
Jack Campbell - 86 GP
Malcolm Subban - 82 GP
Dan Blackburn - 63 GP
Hannu Toivonen - 61 GP
Ilya Samsonov - 45 GP
Jason Bacashihua - 38 GP
Jake Oettinger - 29 GP
Leland Irving - 13 GP
Marek Schwarz - 4 GP
Tom McCollum - 3 GP
Rico Helenius - 1 GP
Marc Visentin - 1 GP
Adam Munro - 0 GP
Yaroslav Askarov - 0 GP
Chet Pickard - 0 GP
Some great goalies on that list, but also a lot of busts, and almost all of the good ones have changed teams at least once. I know i'm in the minority on this but I wouldn't draft a goalie in any round under any circumstance. I think its a waste of a draft pick and better used on a position player. There are always goalies available.
Like with my response to bellringer77's post, that's also a pretty meaningless correlation in a vacuum.
Do the same thing with every other position and see what you find.
I may be wrong, but I'd wager the success rate is comparable, especially factoring in how many more roster slots you have a chance to break into the league with as a skater.
You draft based on your organizational needs and the talent level of what's available. If it's a goalie at that pick, then so be it. Wings had 2 major needs to address at that point in the draft, center and goalie. I think Cossa is just as likely to become a mainstay in the NHL as any other pick they could have made at that selection. As always, time will tell.
If you look at the last 16 Stanley Cup winning teams, pretty much 14 out of 16 won with goalies they found or drafted and developed.
Anaheim acquired Giguere when he had less than 30 NHL games played and Boston acquired Tim Thomas with 0 NHL games played. So pretty much 16/16 cups won with goalies that were playing with their first real NHL team.
You can always get "a goalie". You can't always get "a good goalie".
Around 74% of first round picks play at least 100 NHL games, 44% for goalies drafted in the same round (in the last 20 years).
Cossa cost us the #23 pick a 2nd rounder and a fifth and statistics say he has generously a 50/50 chance of developing to where Ned is already.
As the draft played out, it is clear the Wings had Cossa rated over Wallstedt and they felt the Wild had the same board.
Was it worth the picks to move up is the lingering question. It appears one of the would have been there in the Caps spot. After the trade, I didn't think they would go goalie but I also though they would go center at 6, especially with Eklund sitting there.
You never know how these things turn out for a few years. Goalies in the top spot are a risk and, with this position, it is usually more than a couple of years.