Art Ross thread (2018/19)

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  1. daver

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    OV didn't do this over multiple years

    I am not giving Kucherov credit for anything last year, just saying that if the same thing happens again this year, I think you need put more emphasis on his performance while the games are more meaningful.

    He certainly should not be characterized as a player who goes cold at the end of the season as he was red hot the year before at seasons end.
     
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    As is the rest of the league.

    Based on his numbers vs. his peers, he has been at about the same level since 16/17 production-wise.
     
  3. Boxscore

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    Because I think Kucherov is likely to hit a cold patch at some point and McDavid won't. Just my opinion. Personally, I'd love Kucherov, Gaudreau or one of the Avs to win the Art Ross ahead of McDavid. But I'm just calling it like I see it.
     
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    6 points is a decent margin for kucherov. But I think he is more susceptible to cold streaks than mcdavid. Mcdavid just seems to keep his pace at all times. It will be close but in the end I think Mcdavid wins with 123-128 points
     
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    Well Kuch can easily have a pointless game while McDavid puts up 4 on the same night. 6 points is not that big of a gap when you're talking about guys like Kucherov and McDavid.
     
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    Kucherov just recently had a 17 pt 5 game stretch....incredible.

    Before that he was 10 pts in 8 games. Since his 5 game streak, he's had 3 points in 3 games.

    Kucherov is extremely streaky.....McDavid will prevail, he we catch him and pull away....just like last year.

    McDavid hasn't had some out of this world streak unlike Kucherov and Rantanen and I don't think he needs to. But if he does, its over.
     
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    mcdavid is consistent. he keeps chugging along quietly. before you know it he's at the top again
     
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    I don't think that's unrealistic. We've seen Kuch stay crazy hot over long stretches if you patch two seasons together (the calander year of 2017, for instance), but we've also seen him quiet down for long periods. It's the nature of his game.

    Brayden Point is pretty interesting in all of this though, because he seems to be getting nothing but better. ...And he plays with Kucherov. So I would no longer be surprised to see Point come up from the weeds and give McDavid a run, even if Kucherov cools down.

    But I think the most likely scenario is a repeat of last year. Kucherov will stay on top for a while, but McDavid will stay on his heels, along with some other players (because this season is awesome). Then, come March and April, it's just a matter of whether or not Kuch cools off, because McDavid probably won't.
     
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    Crosby played at a 139 point pace for 116 consecutive games from the end of 2009-10 until the beginning of 2013-14. That is easily better than any comparable stretch since 2005 especially considering scoring levels.
     
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    You said it's setting up like last year....we have 3 more wins then we did this time last year and are 2 points of out a playoff spot instead of 5. The big difference is that Tampa as a team is way better of in the standings then they were last year. Kucherov is leading by 6 points, which is not hefty and less of a lead than he had last year.

    You mean you would not be surprised if Kucherov starts to rest as the playoffs come nearer and slows down? Again, why is this McDavid's problem? This is the same stuff we talked about with Sid when he was "positioning himself for his second third cup run in a row" and was taking games off, then got punted by WSH. If Kucherov slows down offensively and his TOI remains similar, and McDavid takes the AR...the McDavid deserves it. You would have a point if Kucherov is being scratched, but he isn't. If he can't make it work in the final third of the season and loses the AR, it's on him. Maybe he should work harder year round? Don't players want to go into the playoffs playing their best hockey, rather than worrying about being slightly less bruised?

    So far you haven't done anything to prove that McDavid turns it up at the end of year, the only thing you're saying is that his competition slows down, and this is somehow a black mark on McDavid...why isn't it a black mark on these other guys? Maybe they should give full effort. No wonder the powerhouse TBL get bounced in the playoffs if you're saying they don't show up for every game.

    My bad. Didn't realize using PPG was now considered willfully ignorant. Guess we'll throw out all those arguments you made using McDavid's PPG compared to his peers PPG to tell us why his most recent Art Ross was worse than his first. McDavid has a higher PPG than everyone except Kucherov and Rantanen. Last year, he had a higher PPG than everyone except Kucherov until Kucherov literally fell apart in February. One extra player (as compared to last year) is currently doing better in the PPG department. What exactly does it mean that the top 50 are having dream seasons? 48 of them are below him in PPG, 46 are below in raw points.

    Come back to this thread when we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Unless we fall of the rails, that should be sometime around mid/late March and we will see where the scoring race is at. If McDavid is leading up to that point, you have no case. If McDavid is not leading and doesn't ultimately win, you have no case. Connor McDavid isn't Jamie Benn.
     
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    Playoff teams tend to rest their star players a couple weeks before the real season starts. most of the front runners play the equivalent of 8-12 less games a season than McDavid so barring injury or a crazy late run I see no way Connor can lose this.
     
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    Uh, they absolutely weren't consecutive games though, and playing half and quarter seasons while missing an entire playoffs is absolutely NOT better than someone putting up similar stats in actual consecutive or near consecutive games.
     
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  13. Soliloquy of a Dogge

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    Or McDavid is just better, more consistent and puts up more points.
     
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    Thanks. This is the 2018-2019 Art Ross thread.
     
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    Pretty much. That's how daver does damage control. Frames a narrative in which he can marginalize McDavid.
     
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    Yet past the half way mark he's not leading, just like last year.

    McDavid beat Kucherov by 8 points last year, do you really think Kuch wouldn't have got at least 8 points in the 140+ minutes he didn't play that Connor did?
     
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    Consecutive games,huh? That's one long ass season.
     
  18. authentic

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    That he played in, thought that was obvious.
     
  19. Soliloquy of a Dogge

    Soliloquy of a Dogge I love you, Boots

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    I don't traffic in hypotheticals and what-if's.

    And I place very little credibility in the ice-time argument. Not going to knock McDavid for being physically capable of playing minutes at a high level other players aren't. Or for having very little help around him.
     
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    Thanks, there was a discussion in this thread about this not far from my post If you could read.
     
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    Here was the Art Ross race for last season at the January 10th, 2018 date:

    1. Kucherov - 60
    2. MacKinnon - 52
    3. Stamkos - 52
    4. Wheeler - 52
    5. Giroux - 52
    6. Tavares - 51
    7. Voracek - 51
    8. Bailey - 50
    9. Gaudreau - 49
    10. McDavid - 48
     
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    No way can McDavid catch Kuherov. It's impossible.
     
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    Coffey Filter mediocre again

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    :laugh:

    McDavid bides his time for the Oilers to be mathematically eliminated, then he puts on the afterburners because he has nothing to lose!

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  24. Midnight Judges

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    Well no that's false too because you aren't counting the playoff games that happened in between.

    If you count those it goes down to 47 goal 132 point pace - but again, that's pretending Crosby is durable, which he isn't.
     
  25. Rubi

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    I have to be honest that I'm a bit surprised that Gaudreau is being talked about when pundits are discussing Art Ross candidates. He's having an amazing season so far.

    I look forward to Johnny giving Kucherov and McDavid a run for the money.
     

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