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Around the NHL - Episode XLV
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I think Norris is special, he literally has no weaknesses to his game. I feel he is our best pre 2020 prospect. What we need is to find a 1LC since a LW lineup of Stuetzle Brady Formenton gets me so pumped.
How about L Brown, Brannstrom, Tierney (placeholder), Unprotected 1st in 2021 and 2 x 2021 2nds for Barzal or Dubois.
From all the scenarios I've looked at I think Tampa is going to need to trade Killorn, Paquette and Cernak if they want to fit in Cirelli, even on an extremely cheap bridge deal.
Trading those 3 guys, while taking no cap back, would open up 4.2M in cap space to re-sign Cirelli and add 4 more cheap bodies (2 at forward, 2 at D) to give them 13F, 7D and 2G. Unless Cirelli takes under 1.7M on a 1YR bridge deal ala Lebanc, I don't see how they can make it work. Unless they are fine not having any spares on their roster, which is something I don't think I've seen an NHL team do.
Good luck to Brisebois in pulling that off.
Trading those 3 guys, while taking no cap back, would open up 4.2M in cap space to re-sign Cirelli and add 4 more cheap bodies (2 at forward, 2 at D) to give them 13F, 7D and 2G. Unless Cirelli takes under 1.7M on a 1YR bridge deal ala Lebanc, I don't see how they can make it work. Unless they are fine not having any spares on their roster, which is something I don't think I've seen an NHL team do.
Good luck to Brisebois in pulling that off.
Given that Tampa already has Stamkos and Point as their top 2 centers long-term, with a gaping hole at RD going forward, it wouldn't shock me if they chose to re-sign Cernak to a cheap bridge deal and deal Cirelli.
Cernak fills more of a need, will probably be cheaper to re-sign, and Cirelli can return more in a trade.
If that's the case I'm sure we'll be all Cirelli.
Cernak fills more of a need, will probably be cheaper to re-sign, and Cirelli can return more in a trade.
If that's the case I'm sure we'll be all Cirelli.
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I have a feeling that they are counting on a) Cirelli & Cernak signing cheap 1/2yr deals and b) a taxi squad that doesnt count against the cap. But they will need both of those things to happen + to move at least two of their 7-figure guys in order to make even that work.
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Sergachev just guaranteed himself a 7.2 mil QO after this deal so he is likely pretty happy.
If they can move Johnson by attaching their 2021 1st, are okay with trading Killorn, and take no cap back then they could probably fit both in, but it will still be tight.
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Yep - but that fits in their competitive windows. Here at home we have White “guaranteeing” himself $6.25+ for 1/10th the effective play.
Tampa’s an easy sell to the player but they did well. Some posters here were considering $8x8 type money for Serg.
The problem there is there isn’t much money left in the market to absorb those deals and the NTCs. They are in a pickle.
Might be tough to move Killorn, he has a 16 team NTC and there aren’t many teams that can absorb his cap hit. He could make life difficult for Brisebois.
The problems with Johnson are he is small, aging, declining, has a no movement clause and 4 more years on his deal. And he doesn't want to waive. He's going to be tough to move.
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While I think it could be very difficult to move Stamkos & his contract, that's what I think Tampa should do. He's as injury prone as any player I have ever seen in the NHL & he always seems to miss playoff games because of it. He's also 30 yrs old & Tampa has proven they are still a good team without him & could solve a number of problems including financial & cap space if they moved him & may even get a decent return because of it. Surprisingly, he has had some 82 game seasons.
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I would like to see the Sens grab Cernak, and run a Right Wing Lock this year in the Canandian division, and maybe next year too as we wait for the young defensive talent to get show-worthy.
We will have less offensive skill than the other 6 teams, so our best hope is to beat them with structure and knocking down their will to compete. Cernak, Gudbranson and Brown compare reasonably to the Left Wing Lock bashers that got us to the conference finals in Methot, Phaneuf and Boro, so it could work well. And if not, losing to the Habs and Leafs gets much more palatable if you at least see their wingers pay a big price to get the puck in deep.
Seeing the way Washington and Vegas take away the space with big, tough defensemen, it is an obvious nice ingredient to freeing up forwards to be creative and have more puck control time.
We will have less offensive skill than the other 6 teams, so our best hope is to beat them with structure and knocking down their will to compete. Cernak, Gudbranson and Brown compare reasonably to the Left Wing Lock bashers that got us to the conference finals in Methot, Phaneuf and Boro, so it could work well. And if not, losing to the Habs and Leafs gets much more palatable if you at least see their wingers pay a big price to get the puck in deep.
Seeing the way Washington and Vegas take away the space with big, tough defensemen, it is an obvious nice ingredient to freeing up forwards to be creative and have more puck control time.
Cernak would be amazing but given Tampa's depth on the right side of their defense I would assume he's the last guy that they would consider trading right now.
Guys like Palat, Killorn, Gourde, Johnson is what they'll try to move somehow. It's worth paying to get rid of these guys if the reward is keeping guys like Cernak, Sergachev and Cirelli. I could even see them trading Sergachev over Cernak. It's sounds crazy but they'd get a much better return while they already have Hedman and McDonaugh on the left side and it could help them fill some holes in their lineup.
Guys like Palat, Killorn, Gourde, Johnson is what they'll try to move somehow. It's worth paying to get rid of these guys if the reward is keeping guys like Cernak, Sergachev and Cirelli. I could even see them trading Sergachev over Cernak. It's sounds crazy but they'd get a much better return while they already have Hedman and McDonaugh on the left side and it could help them fill some holes in their lineup.
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Interesting tweet from Lebrun. I have no idea what they are fighting over. Basic math tells you that the league should probably not even operate this season. Can you imagine operating and having to shell out large dollar salaries. Impossible, the losses would be staggering
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The problem is you need more than basic math to solve complicated equasions. Bettman wants to press forward to avoid long term damages associated with an extended abscence. The next tv contract is more important than this years revenues, so is making sure fans don't lose interest. They need to consider the implications of their actions today and project out 10+ years. You can be sure they wouldn't be pressing forward potentially putting peoples health at risk if they didn't think it would be more profitable than the alternative.
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Playing is better than not playing to keep the already small interest level hockey has in the US.
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NHL players don't want to take a major paycut this year, like a big chunk of people on the planet did. It's a bit normal that they would make significantly less since it's pretty much the people in the stands paying their salary. I mean, couldn't they accept to make 6 M$ instead of 10 M$ this year? Please? I'm not siding with players this time, we need hockey more than ever and even if playing for 50% of their usual salary, it's still much better than nothing (and older players are those who make more, staying too long without playing NHL competitive hockey doesn't help their future when young guns will come after their job so they might lose ground on their next contract if they regress a bit faster than they would normally have)
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The issue is they had an agreement and the players coughed up salary and agreed to deferrals
Before that agreement even hits the ice, the owners want more concessions
It's more a debate about the violation of an agreement than the specifics of it. Salary for players is ultimately a 50 50 split and it'll take a long time to arrive at how that split gets properly accounted for this year
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Well I only heard about this listening to TVA Sports and there was a few Antoine Roussel interviews repeating that the players are very firm on their position
I have no idea why the owners had already agreed to that 72%, that was stupid. It was before the "2nd wave", were they expecting things to not be that bad? Were they expecting people in the stands at some point this season? I have no idea how they thought it would be a good idea to agree to that when your revenues are destroyed
Given that several franchises are already hurting, my guess is no NHL this year. Or it will be because Batman saves the day
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