Around the NHL - Episode XLI

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  1. BondraTime Registered User

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    Why would you trade Matthews? That would be terrible. They haven’t traded anyone, and until they do and somehow take no salary back while also getting an impact D, they are not better off in a cup run.

    The Leafs would be kissing away their chances the second they did that, Tavares is in the downswing at the moment, and they’d be trading away a 22 year old top 3 center in the league, who is likely the best goal scorer in the league for the next half a decade.

    It would be like the Sens trading Karlsson away in 2011 because we signed Brent Seabrook.

    The Leafs desperately needed D, and were stocked on offense. They had a lot of cap to acquire one, and threw that on a very good player, who doesn’t move the needle for the Leafs. They are probably in the bottom 2-3 teams in the league with improvement from a guy like Tavares.

    The Rangers signed Panarin because of their lack of high end scorers. He fits them like a glove and helps them immensely. Tavares slots in as the #3 offensive forward on their team, and possibly #4 moving forward. That’s a luxury, and something you shouldn’t spend 11 million on, especially when your defence is laughably bad and soft.

    Tavares helps the Leafs, no doubt, but he’s making an already potent offense more potent, and that’s it. There is no other improvement whatsoever, and that’s the area they needed improvement the least, by a huge margin.
     
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    They acquired him at the cost of 11M in cap space. 11M in cap space is a HUGE asset for a team prepared to spend it.

    Your welcome to believe what you choose, but i think the more defendable belief is they could have used that 11M asset more effectively

    For starters they didn't need him

    Secondly it seems to have resulted in Matthews nose being out of joint because rightly or wrongly Matthews believes he's worth just as much. No Tavares, you might have Matthews at 9. You have Matthews at 9, you might have Marner at 8.5 or 9.

    It was a bad use of 11M. But using it as they did probably cost them close to another 5 on assets they controlled.
     
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    Nylander, with his hugely front loaded in the first year contract and massive signing bonus this summer , could very well be a guy Dorion targets.
     
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    I'll tell you what I love about all this very theoretical scenario, it's Toronto doing all kinds of crazy things to get some piece they think is going to make them complete and at the end of the day it's going to leave them looking like idiots.
     
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    People got to stop saying stuff like this. What you're really saying is "I don't think other teams would give them the right kind of assets to make this trade worth it". That's an opinion. I'd argue that they'd only need to get a modest return for him, since they have Johnny waiting to step into his role and Johnny + Matthews' Return would likely be a net gain for the leafs over just Matthews. You can queue up your "but these big trades never happen!" or "this isn't NHL94!" response if you want. I'm too bored to dig up the counter examples, but they exist.

    I wasn't even suggesting trading Matthews, I was just giving a hypothetical of how that signing makes another guy expendable to become a chip to improve the defence. Same reason teams usually draft BPA instead of going by positional need.

    I really hate the Leafs, but that was a good signing.
     
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    I don’t need too, because they don’t exist at that level, top 3 players, at 22 years old none the less, don’t get traded to maximize assets.

    Tavares is great, would be a huge signing for 95% of the teams in the league. The Leafs aren’t one of them, the Leafs of today have even worse problems at the areas they needed to improve since signing Tavares and improved in the area they needed to the least.
     
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    Idk that Matthews is actually a top 3 player in the league right now, though he has the potential to be one for sure.

    Right now, McDavid and McKinnon are easy ahead of him imo. There's a strong argument for Pastrnak and Draisaitl too. Then there are some debatable guys like Eichel and Marner. That's just guys in the same age group, then there's Malkin, Crosby, Kucherov, Kane, and Marchand to be debated.

    In the end though, it's kind of a moot point, because I do agree that guys in a tier where you can have that discussion don't get traded, particularly at his age. There are guys like Seguin, Kessel, and Hall, but that's not really the same thing.
     
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    Top 3-5 Center right now in my opinion, at 22, and likely the top goal scorer in the league over the next 5 years. He’s 6’3, 220, skates like the wind, and has every offensive tool you would want. He’s the prototypical franchise Center that leads teams to the Cup, if the Leafs properly built around him rather than neglecting their needs for an expensive luxury they didn’t need.
     
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    Yeah, I think top 5 center is reasonably safe; McDavid and MacKinnon to me are clearly ahead, personally I have Draisaitl ahead. I'd take Crosby and Malkin today but that won't last long and is certainly debatable, then there's Eichel who is in the discussion but certainly not clearly ahead. At worst he's 7th and you can make a strong enough case for 3rd.

    But like I said, and more to your point, none of those guys are getting traded any time soon, and particularly not the younger ones.
     
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    The NHL appears set to approve a 24 team format when play resumes. My assumption is that the top two teams in each of the four divisions will advance to the playoffs to be joined by the eight winners of the "play in" series.The eight losers of the play in will likely be considered non-playoff teams for the purposes of the draft.

    My question is will the points players accumulate in the "play in" be added to their regular season totals, will they be considered playoff points or will a new category be created?
     
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    I like the fact that if they win the play-in round, they will most likely face Boston in round 1...again.
     
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    First of all, you don't trade a guy like Matthews.
    Second.. If you do trade him, it isn't for unknowns along with the hope you are able to get the big fish in free agency. It would be like trading Matthews before signing Tavares... If he doesn't sign, then you look like an idiot.

    If Pietrangelo is the target, you sign him first and then make your moves. Or if you want to reallocate money from offense to defense (by trading Matthews) then you trade him for a #1 Dman. This isn't EANHL where you can sell high valued players and then just sign their equivalents in free agency.
     
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    I'm wondering if anyone has heard any explanation as to why Ottawa is not on the short list to be a hub city for the playoffs? Just curious.
     
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    14 day quarantine is useless at this point. Makes no difference where you travel from
     
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    With how contagious the virus is it definitely makes sense.

    Let them go the US if they'd like: they'll increase their own risk of exposure and everybody else's around them
     
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    They probably don't even want to make the playoffs. You just know the NHL would absolutely love it if MTL got Laf.

    This is what makes the whole thing absurd.
     
  23. Qward Because! That's why!

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    If Ottawa ever gets a new arena I think these events will cause pause for consideration in how the arena is designed.
    Four locker rooms opposed to 2. Hotel within walking distance. etc.
     
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    Why does it make sense now though? And I'm saying this as somebody who very much agrees with the measures we have had in place so far. The virus is everywhere. What does it matter if you came from another country? All countries have it for the most part. A player coming from Finland is no different than a person from Kanata going to a grocery store in downtown Ottawa
     
  25. Do Make Say Think & Yet & Yet

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    It makes sense because even if things look bad, the goal is to limit the spread. You limit the spread with measures like self-quarantine.

    If we adopt the position that "f*** it, what is the point" then we'll never beat this.

    Whatever it takes. Failure is not an option.
     

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