Around the NHL - Episode XLI

[Nac Mac Feegle]

A private message being hacked is the equivalent of a hanging in the man cave while being secretly recorded, no?

Not really. A private message is still something that is out there in cyberspace forever. You know the risks of putting anything in text. Even to your best bros.

A private conversation being recorded secretly is different, as you have no idea there is a permanent record of what you say in existence.

 

[Micklebot]

A private message being hacked is the equivalent of a hanging in the man cave while being secretly recorded, no?

Only if you and everyone else in that man cave is secretly recording (actually its not secretely at all since everyone knows) one another and then each putting their copy of the tapes in low quality combination lock box in a public space with the same combination the president of spaceballs uses on his luggage.

Oh, and then you put a big sign on the lockbox saying b-list celebrity private conversations, just for good measure.

It's a bit like putting a cheap bike lock on you really nice bike and leaving it out overnight downtown. You shouldn't expect it to be stolen by morning, but you also shouldn't act as though it never will be stolen.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Only if you and everyone else in that man cave is secretly recording (actually its not secretely at all since everyone knows) one another and then each putting their copy of the tapes in low quality combination lock box in a public space with the same combination the president of spaceballs uses on his luggage.

Oh, and then you put a big sign on the lockbox saying b-list celebrity private conversations, just for good measure.

It's a bit like putting a cheap bike lock on you really nice bike and leaving it out overnight downtown. You shouldn't expect it to be stolen by morning, but you also shouldn't act as though it never will be stolen.

PMs are supposed to be as private as a phone call. Legally it is quite clear: “the choice of a private messaging medium is, in and of itself, an exercise of effective control, underpinning privacy expectations in electronic messages that extend to their recipient. The choice to engage in a private electronic conversation creates a context where the sender can reasonably expect the messages to remain secure against the eyes of the state.”

I haven’t really read too much into what happen to this guy but it usually takes a good chunk of money to hack someone’s account. I doubt it was hacked.

This was either one of the other chat group members or a GF of theirs who had access to his account. Another option is he left his account open on a device where someone else didn’t like him too much.

The security on big name apps like FB and Instagram is paramount for a reason.

You have to be stupid to say/write shit like that... but again a lot of these young NHLers grow up in a world where they don’t understand the real world... yet.

It’s sad.

 

[Micklebot]

PMs are supposed to be as private as a phone call. Legally it is quite clear: “the choice of a private messaging medium is, in and of itself, an exercise of effective control, underpinning privacy expectations in electronic messages that extend to their recipient. The choice to engage in a private electronic conversation creates a context where the sender can reasonably expect the messages to remain secure against the eyes of the state.”

I haven’t really read too much into what happen to this guy but it usually takes a good chunk of money to hack someone’s account. I doubt it was hacked.

This was either one of the other chat group members or a GF of theirs who had access to his account. Another option is he left his account open on a device where someone else didn’t like him too much.

The security on big name apps like FB and Instagram is paramount for a reason.

You have to be stupid to say/write shit like that... but again a lot of these young NHLers grow up in a world where they don’t understand the real world... yet.

It’s sad.

It was likely somebody they knew that leaked it, nobody is targetting a nobody 4th line NHL player without having a connection of some sort.

Like you said, maybe a girlfriend opens up their computer which they keep logged in.

And yes, like your bike locked up outside downtown overnight the legal aspects are pretty clear, but just like you shouldn't leave a bike you can't afford to have stolen out overnight, you shouldn't post anything you can't afford to become public on the internet.

I'd also argue that at 25, he is both old enough to know this, and young enough to be from a generation that has widely been brought up to understands this. But maybe clearly I'm giving him too much credit...

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I fail to give a damn about a guy who gets outed as being a jackass.

Was his privacy violated? Absolutely. Is that ok? Of course not.

Unfortunately none of that changes the fact that he quite clearly is a bad teammate and not someone you'd want around to build a tightly-knit group.

He isn't going to not be offered another contract in the NHL because his privacy was violated. He will be out of the NHL because he isn't very good and has a bad attitude.

I can't fault anyone for not wanting him around. One less jackass in the NHL, fine by me.

 

[SensontheRush]

A private message being hacked is the equivalent of a hanging in the man cave while being secretly recorded, no?

No its more like writing a physical letter to someone.

 

[thinkwild]

TSN's all time Vancouver team. Sami Salo their #4 dman! Ouch.

 

[Larionov]

TSN's all time Vancouver team. Sami Salo their #4 dman! Ouch.

Someone was making that point on Twitter yesterday - here is a team that has been to the Finals three times in its history and had some very strong teams, yet their blueline history is strangely thin...

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Check this out.

 

[dumbdick]

Check this out.

So awesome. Man that was an awesome time for hockey.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Some interesting results from the agents poll:

Not so surprisingly...

Nor is this...

Nor is this, although Karlssons inclusion as a top choice surprised me. Ryan is the first (and, thus far, only) Senator to be named in the poll.

And, again, not so surprising here. Interesting that Keith is still counted amongst the leagues best contracts by at least one agent.

Full poll here (part 3 still to be released): PuckPedia AGENT POLL | Puckpedia

 

[IranCondraAffair]

LOL, agents think Dubas is a soft boy.

 

[playasRus]

Does it mention how many agents? I'm curious to know how many GMs each manager deals with on average too. Can't see most agents representing more than 5 players.

 

[Micklebot]

Does it mention how many agents? I'm curious to know how many GMs each manager deals with on average too. Can't see most agents representing more than 5 players.

Based on the Dubas one, looks like 17.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Dubas has been pretty good on the trade front IMO, but my god did he ever botch the Matthews and Marner contracts.

Two RFAs with very little leverage somehow get a combined 22.5M a year and get to be UFAs after only 5/6 years.

Not surprising he won that poll by a longshot. Kid got taken to school by agents on that one.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

He should have just let Matthews sign in Arizona for the four first round picks if the consequence was going to be Matthews and Marner signed at cap hits that bottle neck their cup chances. They are always going to be a top UFA destination, so they could have built around Marner/Tavares/Reilly/etc and used the extra 13-14 million they would have had via Matthews leaving and not setting a precedent to overpay Marner.

They had a chance to sign Matthews at 8 years 12 million ish the summer before the season they signed him to a 5 year 11.XX contract. I don't get why they caved on the 5 year contract when they already held strong on the 8 year one.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Before Chayka foolishly threw away a ton of assets for Hall, a deal sending Matthews to ARZ for a big package of players, prospects and picks would have made a ton of sense. Something like Dvorak, Hayton, 1sts and maybe more. Could have then used the resulting cap-space to shore up the D by signing a guy like Pietrangelo.

Matthews or Pietrangelo, Dvorak, Hayton + way more assets? No brainer.

If Dubas has cojones he could still do something like that by trading Nylander and another guy or two to fit Pietrangelo in, but that ship may have sailed.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Yeah Toronto, who is in "win-now" mode should trade their best center in the hopes of being able to sign a UFA.



Facts don't care about your feelings.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Yeah Toronto, who is in "win-now" mode should trade their best center in the hopes of being able to sign a UFA.



Facts don't care about your feelings.

Yeah, what? Matthews is arguably a top 5 player in the sport.

 

[maclean]

Yeah Toronto, who is in "win-now" mode should trade their best center in the hopes of being able to sign a UFA.



Facts don't care about your feelings.

A bit of free association on my part, but it's going to be cringe when Leafs fans start claiming covid robbed them of their chance at a Cup

 

[Hale The Villain]

Yeah Toronto, who is in "win-now" mode should trade their best center in the hopes of being able to sign a UFA.



Facts don't care about your feelings.

As always you decide to take on the biggest strawman you can build.

Well obviously you don't trade Matthews for a haul of young NHLers, prospects and picks unless you're pretty damn sure you can utilize the resulting cap space to add at least a good UFA or two.

Pietrangelo looks like he's going to hit free agency, and there's a limited amount of teams who could sign him to a long-term deal in the 8-10M per year range. Have to think going home to Toronto would be his preference.

 

[GCK]

Before Chayka foolishly threw away a ton of assets for Hall, a deal sending Matthews to ARZ for a big package of players, prospects and picks would have made a ton of sense. Something like Dvorak, Hayton, 1sts and maybe more. Could have then used the resulting cap-space to shore up the D by signing a guy like Pietrangelo.

Matthews or Pietrangelo, Dvorak, Hayton + way more assets? No brainer.

If Dubas has cojones he could still do something like that by trading Nylander and another guy or two to fit Pietrangelo in, but that ship may have sailed.

The Hall package include a 1st this year, a 3rd next year and a B prospect. None of that is needed for Matthews. Try OEL, Hayton, + +.

 

[GCK]

As always you decide to take on the biggest strawman you can build.

Well obviously you don't trade Matthews for a haul of young NHLers, prospects and picks unless you're pretty damn sure you can utilize the resulting cap space to add at least a good UFA or two.

Pietrangelo looks like he's going to hit free agency, and there's a limited amount of teams who could sign him to a long-term deal in the 8-10M per year range. Have to think going home to Toronto would be his preference.

That’s a lot of assumptions. No GM is going to move a top 5 player for the chance to sign UFAs. That would be asinine.

 

[Hale The Villain]

That’s a lot of assumptions. No GM is going to move a top 5 player for the chance to sign UFAs. That would be asinine.

Not a great way to describe trading Matthews for a big package of young players, prospects and picks and open up around 7M in cap space.

I don't think the Leafs do it without knowing that Pietrangelo wants to come home to Toronto and is willing to take a small paycut to do it, but let's not pretend that they'd be trading Matthews for the hope of signing a UFA or two.

 

[Hale The Villain]

The Hall package include a 1st this year, a 3rd next year and a B prospect. None of that is needed for Matthews. Try OEL, Hayton, + +.

If the Yotes have to include OEL in a package for Matthews, that kind of defeats the purpose. Would make them better at C but all of a sudden there's a huge hole on D.

Also I don't think OEL is the ideal D acquisition for Toronto. They already have a bunch of LD (Rielly, Muzzin, Sandin. Dermott. Lehtonen, Rosen, Marincin) and they need more of a all-around or defensive RD to complement Rielly.

They've already given up Bahl, Merkley, Schnarr and a 1st to rent Hall. Makes it far more unlikely they have the expendable assets to throw a huge package at Matthews.