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bleedblue1223

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Yeah, I wouldn't move anyone. We don't need to, and Gunnar and JayBo are on expiring contracts as it is.
 

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I'll say we've good depth without Jbo or Gunnar. I believe (Schmaltz), Mikkola and Walman can Be good call-up guys and ofc I view Mikkola is going to Be Even bigger then we can imagine. Let The Kids show where they are at before settling what is our top6.
 

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I'm not bothered either way.

Keeping Gunnarsson means we are carrying 8 defensemen on the roster when they are all healthy, and that isn't ideal.

If we can get a mid third for Gunnarsson and add the likes of Franson or Davidson for $1m, then why not? The latter will pass through waivers, we gain cap flexibility, save money and get an asset. Hell, sign both of them and we get all that and more depth.

If we think Gunnarsson is far better quality depth, then it isn't like we need the cap space and we don't have any ELC's that can earn significant bonuses to lead to an overage penalty next season.
 
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I say we should wait on trading Gunnar until after training camp. I’d rather not deal him now and have someone potentially get hurt during camp. Just seems like a safer idea.
 

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How many flyers fans complaining about Pronman's ranking actually know anything about these players that wasn't fed to them by their own team/board hype machine? Not many, much smaller number than are commenting
 

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Article seems pretty strange. Maybe Facebook/twitter blues fans fall into this category, but JBo definitely has his faults.

I never really expected offense from him, which is fine, but defensively he has clearly regressed since he first came here. That and the performance of whoever is his main partner seems to be worse with him vs with someone else.
 

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sekera out for most (if not all) the season for the oilers with a torn acl

weakens an already questionable blue line for the oilers

have to think they scoop up a free agent d man or two now


Gunnarsson, Bouwmeester, or Schmaltz?
 

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I didn't click on this and read it because I'm sure it's poorly written.

But the answer is pretty obvious: in today's game to be an effective defenseman, you need to be able to move the puck. Bouwmeester can no longer do that, he handles it like a grenade. Being a pure defensive PK specialist has minimal value, especially at his salary.
 

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Why all predict Jets will be central champ next season? They lost Stastny and Armia, tho I don't know anything about their additions; Griffith, Everberg, Kerdidles. I doubt they can fill Stastny's and Armia's shoes.
 

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Roslovic (sp?) I believe is expected to come in and hopefully fill the gap Stastny left. And Armia was just ok I think, didn’t pay too much attention though.
Amazing how a rookie is suppose to fill the 2/3 C role on a contender
 

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They were still very good before the deadline when they acquired Stastny.

Schiefele is better than any center we have, and they also have Laine, Wheeler, Ehlers, and Connor to go with Roslovic and potentially Vesalainen.

Overall I think we may be deeper 1-12, but they’re still very good. Defense wise, we have an advantage. Hellebuyck is also better than Allen.

I think there’s a solid chance we could win the division, but it’ll obviously be very, very close.
 

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They were still very good before the deadline when they acquired Stastny.

Schiefele is better than any center we have, and they also have Laine, Wheeler, Ehlers, and Connor to go with Roslovic and potentially Vesalainen.

Overall I think we may be deeper 1-12, but they’re still very good. Defense wise, we have an advantage. Hellebuyck is also better than Allen.

I think there’s a solid chance we could win the division, but it’ll obviously be very, very close.

I will not take anything away from Schiefele, but Schenn was on pace for ppg+ prior to losing Schwartz. Schiefele was also the benefactor of his wingers. I dont think its top far fetched to say Schenn could have matched his numbers.

Wheeler is the one who really went HAM sammy. With it being a contract year..no doubt he repeats that performance.

Personally I'm surprised their defense is worth a shit....quite a few meatheads.

I didnt think much of Hellebyuck till he went off. He has to repeat before I'd say he's legit.
 

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They were still very good before the deadline when they acquired Stastny.

Schiefele is better than any center we have, and they also have Laine, Wheeler, Ehlers, and Connor to go with Roslovic and potentially Vesalainen.

Overall I think we may be deeper 1-12, but they’re still very good. Defense wise, we have an advantage. Hellebuyck is also better than Allen.

I think there’s a solid chance we could win the division, but it’ll obviously be very, very close.
And while Little isn't player he once was, he's still likely fine at 2C if Roslovic can't handle. Jets will be tough.
 

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I will not take anything away from Schiefele, but Schenn was on pace for ppg+ prior to losing Schwartz. Schiefele was also the benefactor of his wingers. I dont think its top far fetched to say Schenn could have matched his numbers.

Wheeler is the one who really went HAM sammy. With it being a contract year..no doubt he repeats that performance.

Personally I'm surprised their defense is worth a ****....quite a few meatheads.

I didnt think much of Hellebyuck till he went off. He has to repeat before I'd say he's legit.
I agree that their defense is a question and goalie needs to show last year wasn't a fluke, but top of their forward lineup is legit. Schiefele is 1 of top 10 centers in league, and Wheeler and Laine probably both in top 10 wingers. And Ehlers and Connor are dang good young forwards (Ehlers is what I dream Kyrou could be). They should be fun to watch again.
 

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I agree that their defense is a question and goalie needs to show last year wasn't a fluke, but top of their forward lineup is legit. Schiefele is 1 of top 10 centers in league, and Wheeler and Laine probably both in top 10 wingers. And Ehlers and Connor are dang good young forwards (Ehlers is what I dream Kyrou could be). They should be fun to watch again.
No doubt, they are stronger on the wings. But oddly enough....Stl is stronger up the middle. Imo....Blues have the best center depth in central.

If Schwartz/Schenn wasnt a fluke....then Schenn will be a PPG center and he's right there with Seguin and Scheifele....even if he doesn't carry the name recognition of the other two.


O'Reilly is a wild card but I'm comfortable saying he's reliable for 60pts with the potential to do 70+ with better wingers and less grueling deployment.

Bozak......as long as he gets 40pts, I'll be happy, and it's the best we've had since Backes being on the 3rd line.
 

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No doubt, they are stronger on the wings. But oddly enough....Stl is stronger up the middle. Imo....Blues have the best center depth in central.

If Schwartz/Schenn wasnt a fluke....then Schenn will be a PPG center and he's right there with Seguin and Scheifele....even if he doesn't carry the name recognition of the other two.


O'Reilly is a wild card but I'm comfortable saying he's reliable for 60pts with the potential to do 70+ with better wingers and less grueling deployment.

Bozak......as long as he gets 40pts, I'll be happy, and it's the best we've had since Backes being on the 3rd line.
Blues depth looks great, best we've had in years. Key to me (other than goaltending, of course) is our top players. If we are going to be elite team we need our best guys to be elite players- Tank, JS, Schenn, ROR, Petro, Parayko. Obviously not all of them need to rise to elite level, but we need at least 2-3 of them to be among top 5-8 or better at their position and a couple more to top maybe dozen if we are going to reach our potential. I think this is doable (several have had stretches where they are at that level and I would argue that Petro and JS were top 5-8 last year) but if a couple of these guys take next step this could be fun year.
 
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I say we should wait on trading Gunnar until after training camp. I’d rather not deal him now and have someone potentially get hurt during camp. Just seems like a safer idea.

Both Gunnarsson and Bouwmeester must show no rust before a trade. I would like to trade Bouwmeester to a Canadian team. He would have to waive his no trade clause, but if we play him on our top line to show he still has his legs...
 

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I will not take anything away from Schiefele, but Schenn was on pace for ppg+ prior to losing Schwartz. Schiefele was also the benefactor of his wingers. I dont think its top far fetched to say Schenn could have matched his numbers.

Wheeler is the one who really went HAM sammy. With it being a contract year..no doubt he repeats that performance.

Personally I'm surprised their defense is worth a ****....quite a few meatheads.

I didnt think much of Hellebyuck till he went off. He has to repeat before I'd say he's legit.
I'm much more convinced that Hellebyuck can repeat his performance from last season than Schenn can. Been a fan of Helle since his incredible run at the 2014-15 Worlds, that tournament made me a believer. Hellebyuck has put up elite numbers at pretty much every level...his rookie season was much more of an outlier historically for him than his Vezina season IMO.

Don't get me wrong, I think Schenn is the real deal too, and he and Schwartz were electric last season. However, I am skeptical of him hitting 70 again this year (tho I think he will be close, probably mid-60s). I think ROR will take some of Schenn's ice time and points.

As far as comparing Schenn to Scheifele...yeah, it's Scheifele and it's not close. The guy has 2 PPG seasons under his belt at 25. EVERYTHING would have to go right for Schenn to score 80+ points. And that's not even mentioning the playoff run Scheifele just had...
 

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I'm much more convinced that Hellebyuck can repeat his performance from last season than Schenn can. Been a fan of Helle since his incredible run at the 2014-15 Worlds, that tournament made me a believer. Hellebyuck has put up elite numbers at pretty much every level...his rookie season was much more of an outlier historically for him than his Vezina season IMO.

Don't get me wrong, I think Schenn is the real deal too, and he and Schwartz were electric last season. However, I am skeptical of him hitting 70 again this year (tho I think he will be close, probably mid-60s). I think ROR will take some of Schenn's ice time and points.

As far as comparing Schenn to Scheifele...yeah, it's Scheifele and it's not close. The guy has 2 PPG seasons under his belt at 25. EVERYTHING would have to go right for Schenn to score 80+ points. And that's not even mentioning the playoff run Scheifele just had...
Why would everything have to go right to put up 80+? Things went horribly wrong and he still put up 70pts. So for things to go right, Schwartz just needs to stay healthy. Hell...if O'Reilly/Tarasenko is a thing, Schenn will have easier matchups as Tarasenko is always going to pull the top defense.

I wasn't a big Schenn believer till I watched him. He did drive alot of offense. He's much more dangerous off the rush then I ever imagined. I always though he was a low slot guy that pounded in tap ins. Dude isnt getting enough credit for the production he had.
 
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