Discussion in 'St. Louis Blues' started by EastonBlues22, Sep 27, 2018.
Can we agree that Gritty is the best thing to happen to hockey since the repealed the two line pass rule?
I find it interesting how touchy the "toughness" issue is. It seems to be a very emotional topic for both sides. I think the Capitals proved last year that grit is not only useful in the playoffs, but it is also pretty much essential. I certainly do not advocate toughness being chosen over skill, but having that extra element of nastiness definitely creates an advantage for your team. Similarly, being able to dangle in a phone booth doesn't help you if you keep getting knocked off the puck, or even worse, cough up the puck to avoid getting hit.
The Penguins and Blackhawks have won 6 of the last 10 Cups, including 4 of the last 6, and "toughness" wasn't exactly one of their salient traits. I mean, they had their share of tough players, but this is the NHL. Pretty much every team has a decent number of tough players.
Toughness is like almost anything else (speed, skill, scoring, defense, special teams, goaltending, physicality, structure/organization, execution, leadership, etc.), you should aim to have at least enough of it so that it's not a weakness that's holding you back. Also just like all those other things, if you have it in spades, it creates an advantage for your team...but none of them alone are winning you a Cup if that's all you really have going for you.
Does that make all of them "essential" in a way (in the sense that if you don't have it at all, you're probably in trouble)? I guess it does...but I don't think you have to be the toughest team on the ice to win a series (much less the whole thing), because that's clearly just not the case.
By that same token, being overly tough doesn’t do much when you keep missing a hit because the opposing player dangles around you. Or worse, you get caught out of position when you tried to initiate a hit that was ineffectual.
I’m not saying toughness doesn’t have a place in hockey, because as Easton points out, there are a lot more variables to take into account. However, I don’t think it’s essential if you have other variables in spades. That’s also applicable to other variables besides toughness, mind you.
Can we all just take time to acknowledge that the Carolina Hurricanes are undefeated this pre-season, and have outscored their opponents 24 - 8?
Also those Hartford Whalers alternates they released look sweet.
That Whaler jersey is pretty sweet.
Also I didn't realize they have a new third jersey this year and they are really cool looking. I dig the black and red color scheme.
But its just pre-season. Can we also ackowledge how badly Teräväinen was bashed in Blues board and not him giving top6 role he florish. Thank God he didn't get that good change to play with better linemates in Chicago.
Wonder how long it will take when TT - Aho - Svechnikov is 1st line.
The trade forums are getting more and more 'special' every day..After yet ANOTHER Parayko for Nylander thread yesterday we now have a Pietrangelo for Marner thread... Quite expectingly: Toronto fans think Marner is worth far more then Pietrangelo. Seriously, if someone offers Tarasenko for freaking Leivo their fans still think we need to add...
I hated on Teräväinen because he genuinely looked like crap in Chicago, not because he's Finnish.
I don't really see a bias on this sub-board. I think people generally evaluate the player for who he is, not where he's from.
Or where he plays lol. I hate seeing rivals do well
Wait they have another alternate? I missed that, I'll have to look it up.
He didn't get enough change to prove it. Carolina allowed and look what he became.
Its quite far fetched, but Rattie in someway has same thing what Teräväinen. Didn't get change to play high end forwards.
He played in the top 6 with guys like Toews, Kane, Hossa, and Saad
Sometimes it just takes guys longer to hit their stride, or just a different environment. In Chicago, I'd imagine the pressure was huge....in Carolina, no one cares.
You were right about him though. Its why I listen to you about European prospects.
Yes, but he almost instantly get scratched or were lowered bottom 9 role if he didn't produce. Like @Dbrownss said pressure was high on him to success.
But overally people were writing here he's bust etc. I'm not waving 'I told you card', but its not black and white how and when player will florish and reach their potential.
I'm not saying that, Ofc it will caught my eye if people write something about finnish players/prospects. But I guess you guys get my point already.
Switching subjects a bit, now that pre-season is almost over, what are your guys’ divisional predictions around the league?
I’m going with
Tampa Bay yz
St. Louis x
San Jose y
IIRC Teravainen was ridiculed for being soft and easy to knock off the puck and not so much his skill level
I think you nailed it.
He has worked couple previous summer to get better muscle for upperbody and core. He compared himself to floorball player when he was playing at Chicago.
Did you guys see Jori Lehteras sh pass last night. No buttermilk in those legs..
Cokelegs keeps you goin'
Toughness matters. Much like size matters.
You don't have to be tough. You don't have to be big. But it helps.
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