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Do all the “patience” posters see that you can make trades for good players without selling first round picks??
It’s like amnesia in this place every year.
It’s like amnesia in this place every year.
Do all the “patience” posters see that you can make trades for good players without selling first round picks??
It’s like amnesia in this place every year.
You are completely underselling just how hard Rask totally sucks and is complete toilet water. Nino for Cluttersuck is among the worst trades in Islanders history, this one may actually be worse.I see a hockey trade where two teams had what the other wanted, and neither is actually that good. Change of scenery deal where one team wanted wing scoring ( a 40 pt winger being paid like he would be a 50-60 pt guy), and the other needed a depth C that is still young with upside having a crap season. Buffalo couldn't make that trade for Nino, because they don't have a C like Rask that is/was expendable. Why does this trade have to be some sort of referendum on Sabres fans anyway?
Do all the “patience” posters see that you can make trades for good players without selling first round picks??
It’s like amnesia in this place every year.
Rarely.When has a "patience poster" ever been against a deal that wasn't mortgaging the teams future for improved playoff odds this season?
But what pieces do we actually have to leverage that would bring in good players? The pieces just aren't there.Do all the “patience” posters see that you can make trades for good players without selling first round picks??
It’s like amnesia in this place every year.
You are completely underselling just how hard Rask totally sucks and is complete toilet water. Nino for Cluttersuck is among the worst trades in Islanders history, this one may actually be worse.
You are completely underselling just how hard Rask totally sucks and is complete toilet water. Nino for Cluttersuck is among the worst trades in Islanders history, this one may actually be worse.
I see a hockey trade where two teams had what the other wanted, and neither is actually that good. Change of scenery deal where one team wanted wing scoring ( a 40 pt winger being paid like he would be a 50-60 pt guy), and the other needed a depth C that is still young with upside having a crap season. Buffalo couldn't make that trade for Nino, because they don't have a C like Rask that is/was expendable (with any value). Why does this trade have to be some sort of referendum on Sabres fans anyway?
But what pieces do we actually have to leverage that would bring in good players? The pieces just aren't there.
When has a "patience poster" ever been against a deal that wasn't mortgaging the teams future for improved playoff odds this season?
I like Rask. I think he could hit his stride in Minny.
Rask is pretty substandard. His numbers have declined for a couple years now and this year has been an utter tire fire. He’s on pace for 18 points this year. Last year he was on pace for 35 points. He gets paid 4 million a year to be okay defensively and crap at offense.
Nino has scored or been on pace for 20 plus goals for the last 4 years and is like a goal or two off that pace this year. He gets an extra million a year.
It’d be like us trading Berglund with a small plus, cuz of age, for Nino.
It’s a great deal for Carolina. And that’s the point. A twenty goal+ scorer was picked up without trading a first round pick. Which is what many keep saying is impossible without trading the cupboard, firsts or top prospects. It’s not complicated. If the description doesn’t fit you, then it shouldn’t bother you.
Nobody said it was a trade Buffalo was foolish to have not made it. Simple statement that you don’t need to give up big picks for improvements.
Seems like a pretty tame point, for you to feel the need to defend some portions of Sabres fans...
Rask is pretty substandard. His numbers have declined for a couple years now and this year has been an utter tire fire. He’s on pace for 18 points this year. Last year he was on pace for 35 points. He gets paid 4 million a year to be okay defensively and crap at offense.
Nino has scored or been on pace for 20 plus goals for the last 4 years and is like a goal or two off that pace this year. He gets an extra million a year.
It’d be like us trading Berglund with a small plus, cuz of age, for Nino.
It’s a great deal for Carolina. And that’s the point. A twenty goal+ scorer was picked up without trading a first round pick. Which is what many keep saying is impossible without trading the cupboard, firsts or top prospects. It’s not complicated. If the description doesn’t fit you, then it shouldn’t bother you.
Nobody said it was a trade Buffalo was foolish to have not made it. Simple statement that you don’t need to give up big picks for improvements.
Seems like a pretty tame point, for you to feel the need to defend some portions of Sabres fans...
Rask has so little value. How did we not beat that
It's not like trading Berglund and a small plus at all. Berglund wasn't even playing C anymore, let alone being too old and slow compared to Rask.
Another point that isn't complicated - Nino isn't that great a player to justify another cap sink of 5.25 mil for another 3.5 seasons. He's overpaid and on a downslide going into his late 20s. Buffalo needs less of that player, not more. I reject the idea that Nino is even the type of player Buffalo should acquire.
Every teams fans must be thinking that but I don't think it's necessarily about what we could've offered.
Maybe Fenton just has an irrational interest and belief in this specific young player, Rask, and traded a much better player for him to make a change and save money.
GMs fall in love with specific players and do stupid things.
Let’s try again. Several posters, have repeatedly said they don’t want to trade for pieces this year because it will cost a first rounder.
So clearly, many people think of themselves as patient posters, and didn’t get the context. My bad.
We have a variety of pieces to move around that are not locks to be solid future pieces. This “type” of move is totally possible.
Edit: It’s just another variation of how people will say you can’t trade for an impact player without giving up a ton, and then the Skinner trade happens.
Every teams fans must be thinking that but I don't think it's necessarily about what we could've offered.
Maybe Fenton just has an irrational interest and belief in this specific young player, Rask, and traded a much better player for him to make a change and save money.
GMs fall in love with specific players and do stupid things.
Who would have Minnesota bit on? Larsson? He's never performed like Rask has in the past. This is Minn shipping out someone slightly more expensive for someone who they think they can to turn around. Maybe Girg would have been the offer?
It's not like trading Berglund and a small plus at all. Berglund wasn't even playing C anymore, let alone being too old and slow compared to Rask.
Another point that isn't complicated - Nino isn't that great a player to justify another cap sink of 5.25 mil for another 3.5 seasons. He's overpaid and on a downslide going into his late 20s. Buffalo needs less of that player, not more. I reject the idea that Nino is even the type of player Buffalo should acquire.
I don't get your point.
I don't think anyone would be against giving up non-premium assets for players that will help this season and beyond.
The "patient" people are against giving up first round picks for rentals.
Those are two completely different sets of moves.
And I don't think there are a lot of people that are down with Botterill doing absolutely nothing the remainder of the season.
I’ll try again.
Many posters in the roster speculation thread have said we can’t make any moves because a first rounder or whatever future package will be too costly.
My post was simply highlighting the fact that trades have and are happening that don’t cost huge futures.
If you are patient, and think we should make some long term moves or small deals to improve the club, welcome, we agree. But that comment wasn’t aimed at you.
I’m referring to the posters who think every draft pick is precious gold that needs to be held on to for the draft lottery of hope.
Sidenote, I’ll blame myself for this many people completely missing my point, but some need to actually read people’s posts before responding. It’s pretty ridiculous to have to go thru multiple responses that completely makeup their own arguments out of whole cloth.
Not you jim bob.
This would be less tiresome for both of you, if you read my post, and saw that at no point did I say that the Sabres should have or could have made this specific trade. It was a simple evaluation of trades made in this league and the cost of them generally.
1980, Berglund was almost as productive this year as Rask, playing both wing and center, a position many here said he was being brought to play, while apparently being distraught enough in his role to walk away from millions. Last year, Berglund out produced Rask. The point is Rask isn’t just having one tough year. He is on crap year 2. But I guess he isn’t slow to you, for whatever that is worth.