GDT: Around the League: Playoff Edition Part IV

[Coffey]

The Sharks aren't even the most dislikeable team located in California.

Which is saying something because they're pretty gross.

For real.
It's

Ducks

Kings














Sharks

 

[Coffey]

Terry Jones is so out of touch. Time to call it a career man.

Agreed. Leaf loss is DEFINITELY making us happier.

 

[oobga]

 

[OilerTitanFan]

Agreed. Leaf loss is DEFINITELY making us happier.

Leafs will fix it in the summer. Since they got JT, why stop there? They will go after Erik karlsson.

 

[joestevens29]

Terry Jones is so out of touch. Time to call it a career man.

Well when him and Matheson are sitting together talking to each other it makes a lot of sense.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

I am calling it now. Islanders win the cup. First game at home vs the Leafs next season, Tavares can watch the banner raising ceremony.

 

[joestevens29]

Leafs will fix it in the summer. Since they got JT, why stop there? They will go after Erik karlsson.

I don't doubt they'll try fix their team. Problem I see is that defense was weak with Gardiner. So it's not like adding one guy is going to magically make it better. Not unless they do get a #1 which with their cap issues is going to be tough.

Tough decisions to be made this summer in TO

 

[joestevens29]

I am calling it now. Islanders win the cup. First game at home vs the Leafs next season, Tavares can watch the banner raising ceremony.

LOL, wouldn't that be something.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

I don't doubt they'll try fix their team. Problem I see is that defense was weak with Gardiner. So it's not like adding one guy is going to magically make it better. Not unless they do get a #1 which with their cap issues is going to be tough.

Tough decisions to be made this summer in TO

The last time the bruins beat the leafs in the playoffs, Gardiner was the goat and he lost the battle vs Debrusk. They still haven't learned from that. It is like throwing Matt Benning out there with 30 seconds left in a tie game. How about we help the leafs? Our first for Nylander, Reilly and Gardiner. Leafs free up space to sign Karlsson.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

LOL, wouldn't that be something.

I usually don't give a crap about both teams but if that happens, I will watch the game and I guarantee you the ratings for that game will be off the charts. Bettman might be there personally to laugh over this.

 

[OilerTitanFan]

LOL, wouldn't that be something.

Chant at NYI during banner raising:
"WE DON'T NEED YOU! JT SUCKS! WE DON'T NEED YOU! JT SUCKS!"

 

[McBeastMode]

When did the ref's actually call the penalty, never saw an arm go up..

 

[oobga]

When did the ref's actually call the penalty, never saw an arm go up..

Back in March there was one on Zibanejad where he bumped a guy awkwardly and the guy got hurt. The refs saw nothing, but allowed the linesman to offer an opinion that it was a dangerous hit from behind. Zibanejad got 5 and a game off the linesmans word. Major and misconduct were rescinded days later after the league looked and saw there was not really any malicious intent to injure, just an unlucky play, kinda like this.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

When did the ref's actually call the penalty, never saw an arm go up..

They didn't and worse off NBC went immediately to break right as the crowd started hurling garbage onto the ice (which they somehow went unpunished) and there was basically no explanation even after the break from the refs.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

They didn't and worse off NBC went immediately to break right as the crowd started hurling garbage onto the ice (which they somehow went unpunished) and there was basically no explanation even after the break from the refs.

Did they explain the high stick goal?

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Did they explain the high stick goal?

It looked like a clear high stick, yet sportsnet was showing angles from the roof, when they have angles from the crossbar height.

 

[joestevens29]

One Call Didn’t Cost Vegas The Game

Not sure if posted, but there is a tweet from Dreger in article. Apparently it was discussed in GM meeting about having the refs look at replays and it was voted down.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

One Call Didn’t Cost Vegas The Game

Not sure if posted, but there is a tweet from Dreger in article. Apparently it was discussed in GM meeting about having the refs look at replays and it was voted down.

They had a 3-1 series lead, 3-0 lead and a 4-4 tie. They should of played better

 

[joestevens29]

They had a 3-1 series lead, 3-0 lead and a 4-4 tie. They should of played better

Which is fair. I think the bigger issue as mentioned somewhere in the last dozen pages is what happens if you have a tight series and have a call like this decide your Stanley Cup winner?

 

[Kyle McMahon]

Common sense differs from one person to the next.

A hard fast rule is necessary. Leaving this type of decision up to the viewpoint of one individual or group of individuals is not viable.

And that is only answering this one case. Not all crap calls/non-calls leave a 10 minute window for on and off ice officials to have a chin wag. A non-call can be as if not more damaging than this one. Like a pick leading directly to a winning goal.

Is that really any different that what happens right now? I mean yeah, that "eye-in-the-sky" official is going to have a lot riding on his own judgement. He better be damn sure it is indeed one of those exceptional situations where he simply has to intervene to prevent a catastrophic error. It's not completely fool-proof. But this seems preferable to having the four guys on the ice literally guessing and praying they were correct on a major event in a game 7.

You're not wrong that a missed pick leading to a winning goal would be equally terrible in terms of the final result, but again this comes down to common sense expectations. Minor infractions go unseen or ignored numerous times throughout a game; if it happens to lead to a goal in one of those instances, it's bad luck, but something that is still expected to occur from time to time. There's no reasonable way to mitigate it. Ensuring that a 5-minute major penalty is not erroneously assessed during a stoppage in play is comparatively very easy to do.

Jason Gregor brought up an incident earlier today that I'd forgotten about, which was Domi taking out Niedermayer with a vicious elbow to the head in 2001. It happened way behind the play, so nobody knew what was going on. (Other than Scott Stevens who was in the penalty box at the time, had a clear view of it, and proceeded to lose his shit as I recall). No penalty was being called at first, and you couldn't blame the refs as they were at the other end of the rink. But evidently some eye-in-the-sky did call down to the ice to let the officials know what happened. Domi was then kicked out of the game and suspended. So there actually is precedent for letter of the law procedures being superseded by common sense in a playoff game.

 

[oobga]

 

[Ritchie Valens]

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Lol so sauced. The end made me laugh.

 

[Kepler 186f]

Is that really any different that what happens right now? I mean yeah, that "eye-in-the-sky" official is going to have a lot riding on his own judgement. He better be damn sure it is indeed one of those exceptional situations where he simply has to intervene to prevent a catastrophic error. It's not completely fool-proof. But this seems preferable to having the four guys on the ice literally guessing and praying they were correct on a major event in a game 7.

You're not wrong that a missed pick leading to a winning goal would be equally terrible in terms of the final result, but again this comes down to common sense expectations. Minor infractions go unseen or ignored numerous times throughout a game; if it happens to lead to a goal in one of those instances, it's bad luck, but something that is still expected to occur from time to time. There's no reasonable way to mitigate it. Ensuring that a 5-minute major penalty is not erroneously assessed during a stoppage in play is comparatively very easy to do.

Jason Gregor brought up an incident earlier today that I'd forgotten about, which was Domi taking out Niedermayer with a vicious elbow to the head in 2001. It happened way behind the play, so nobody knew what was going on. (Other than Scott Stevens who was in the penalty box at the time, had a clear view of it, and proceeded to lose his **** as I recall). No penalty was being called at first, and you couldn't blame the refs as they were at the other end of the rink. But evidently some eye-in-the-sky did call down to the ice to let the officials know what happened. Domi was then kicked out of the game and suspended. So there actually is precedent for letter of the law procedures being superseded by common sense in a playoff game.

So let's go back to last night's incident.

What do you think the proper call by an off ice official should have been (without the knowledge that the Vegas PK was going to collapse like a wet noodle)?

No penalty at all (playoff hockey and all)?

2 to Eakins for the crosscheck?

2 to Eakins and 2 to Statstny (interference)?

2 to Eakins and a double minor to Stastny?

Or 2 to Eakins and 5 to Stastny?

Or just 2, a double or 5 to Stastny?

Anyone arguing any of those (aside from no penalty at all) would have a valid argument.

And any off ice official using common sense could come to any of the above conclusions.

 

[fireantz]

Based on the way rules have been applied throughout the playoffs the correct(consistent) call would be no penalty at all.