GDT: Around the League 2019-20 v26

[Drivesaitl]

Are those two really that bad? I hear almost nothing about them apart from Johnson's whining he did early in his career. Same with Killorn.

When I say asshole, I mean players like Marchand, Perry, Kesler, Tkachuk...players that you love to see lose. Based on your criteria, half the league would be considered asshole.

Tampa have their fair share. If we played that team more, and were in the same conference it would be more noted here. I'm not the only one aware of what punks they have in the lineup. They used to be worse though for that. In fairness they've brought in some tough hombres that can play, I like that. They play a little less like Holland these days..

 

[CupofOil]

The officiating in the first and 2nd periods was an absolute travesty. Dallas was up 2-0 in this game and Refs gave Tampa 2PP's as usual, to stem the bleeding. Tamps was in trouble in the first, momentum for Dallas, and Tampa gets the calls to get back in the game. Tampa had 2 PP goals in the 2nd period and shouldn't have had a single PP. Several calls on Tampa were missed.

I'll take your word for it on the first 2 periods. What I saw in the last 2 periods was really bad calls both ways, unspeakably bad.
I have no dog in this fight. I couldn't care less for either of these teams really.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I'll take your word for it on the first 2 periods. What I saw in the last 2 periods was really bad calls both ways, unspeakably bad.
I have no dog in this fight. I couldn't care less for either of these teams really.

Understand that you got me in the heat of the moment. This game was really frustrating because the NHL gave Tampa what they needed tonight. That aspect was hard to watch. The NHL kept Tampa in this game for two periods. Then to have the deciding goal in OT on Johnson diving. christ.

By your own admission thats the NHL just calling a penalty against the stronger player, in OT, because hes stronger. I hate shit like that.

sorry for being all testy

 

[Cloned]

I'm not sure the issue is officiating bias so much as it is game management and officiating incompetence.

Both are big issues which contribute to the degradation in game quality and legitimacy in the modern NHL. Goes hand in hand with the "evolution" in goaltending technique/equipment, emphasis on systems play, and reliance on randomness and luck to win.

 

[TB12]

Same replacement level posters whining about the reffing are the same replacement level posters that blame the refs after every Oilers loss

 

[Oilhawks]

I'm not sure the issue is officiating bias so much as it is game management and officiating incompetence.

Both are big issues which contribute to the degradation in game quality and legitimacy in the modern NHL. Goes hand in hand with the "evolution" in goaltending technique/equipment, emphasis on systems play, and reliance on randomness and luck to win.

Had to work that in somehow ​

 

[Oilhawks]

Same replacement level posters whining about the reffing are the same replacement level posters that blame the refs after every Oilers loss

Yeah, the reffing is really solid and consistent in the NHL. Best in pro sports IMO

 

[Drivesaitl]

Yeah, the reffing is really solid and consistent in the NHL. Best in pro sports IMO

Guess what this poster is trying to do. Tuberculosis12 should play for Tampa

Pandemic humor..

 

[CupofOil]

Understand that you got me in the heat of the moment. This game was really frustrating because the NHL gave Tampa what they needed tonight. That aspect was hard to watch. The NHL kept Tampa in this game for two periods. Then to have the deciding goal in OT on Johnson diving. christ.

By your own admission thats the NHL just calling a penalty against the stronger player, in OT, because hes stronger. I hate shit like that.

sorry for being all testy

I was really hoping that the game wouldn't end on that phantom call because it puts needless spotlight on the refs when this game should have had a proper ending won by the players.

No worries on the testiness, it happens to the best of us.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I was really hoping that the game wouldn't end on that phantom call because it puts needless spotlight on the refs when this game should have had a proper ending won by the players.

No worries on the testiness, it happens to the best of us.

Thanks. its a shitty way to decide the critical game, and probably the series. I mean at least let the clubs duke it out, its OT it was a pretty marginal call. Benn was pretty incensed at that one and deservedly so. The way the script goes then is the telecast blaming it on Benn. He's been a heart and soul player for Dallas, not deserving of the goat horns the telecast was putting on him. It was a dubious call that had no impact on the play. But ends up having ALL the impact on the series.

Thats gotta be shitty for any player. I mean Benn knows that the same puke took out Hintz. He see's his team mate getting medical treatment, out of the game, and has to then see Johnson laughing all the way about a milked call. Whaddya gonna do?

 

[Kyle McMahon]

I'm not sure the issue is officiating bias so much as it is game management and officiating incompetence.

Both are big issues which contribute to the degradation in game quality and legitimacy in the modern NHL. Goes hand in hand with the "evolution" in goaltending technique/equipment, emphasis on systems play, and reliance on randomness and luck to win.

There was a time and place where there was such a thing as earning a call. My frustration is that Tampa never seems to have to. They can loaf around for 10 minutes then the first little jersey tug that occurs after they sustain 15 seconds of zone time, and bam immediate penalty. This has been happening since the Columbus series. I don't think I've ever seen a team go through the playoffs getting such consistently helpful officiating just when they need a call.

 

[Drivesaitl]

There was a time and place where there was such a thing as earning a call. My frustration is that Tampa never seems to have to. They can loaf around for 10 minutes then the first little jersey tug that occurs after they sustain 15 seconds of zone time, and bam immediate penalty. This has been happening since the Columbus series. I don't think I've ever seen a team go through the playoffs getting such consistently helpful officiating just when they need a call.

Yep. When the officials aren't making calls for Tampa they're running board picks for them. lol at the officials stopping a puck from exiting Dallas zone multiple times in the game. Then when Dallas has puck in offensive end, intercepting Dallas passes on the boards so Tampa can get the puck. its lol time with where these officials are.

But the funniest thing Ive ever seen in s cup final since the Brett Hull goal was Tampa net being dislodged in gm 3, and then continuing play for 90 secs after so that in effect any goal tampas scores in that time is a good goal, and Dallas can't score. I mean WTF was that? Dallas had possession twice in the sequence and they're like what are we supposed to do, wheres the whistle? The Tampa net was completely sideways. What were the officials doing.

That one was bizarro world.

 

[Kyle McMahon]

Yep. When the officials aren't making calls for Tampa they're running board picks for them. lol at the officials stopping a puck from exiting Dallas zone multiple times in the game. Then when Dallas has puck in offensive end, intercepting Dallas passes on the boards so Tampa can get the puck. its lol time with where these officials are.

But the funniest thing Ive ever seen in s cup final since the Brett Hull goal was Tampa net being dislodged in gm 3, and then continuing play for 90 secs after so that in effect any goal tampas scores in that time is a good goal, and Dallas can't score. I mean WTF was that? Dallas had possession twice in the sequence and they're like what are we supposed to do, wheres the whistle? The Tampa net was completely sideways. What were the officials doing.

That one was bizarro world.

Yeah I was listening to that on the radio, flabbergasted when they said the whistle blew for a dislodged net a freaking minute after it happened. Like you say, a whole minute of a game where Tampa was essentially in the bonus round. I think my favorite this playoffs was Tampa getting a PP moments after an 18 minute stretch without a single shot on goal and promptly winning the game. Hard to applaud that.

 

[Cloned]

Had to work that in somehow ​

You know it.

 

[Cloned]

There was a time and place where there was such a thing as earning a call. My frustration is that Tampa never seems to have to. They can loaf around for 10 minutes then the first little jersey tug that occurs after they sustain 15 seconds of zone time, and bam immediate penalty. This has been happening since the Columbus series. I don't think I've ever seen a team go through the playoffs getting such consistently helpful officiating just when they need a call.

Skill can do that. If you were around for the dynasty Oilers, they did that more often than you'd like. Play smug and entitled for portions of the game, get calls because of your speed and skill. Of course, they also had the ability to really turn it up to another level, but this isn't completely unheard of for a skill team.

The biggest difference is that 35 years ago there was no game management and if the Oilers were up 7-2 and drew a penalty, it'd still be called.

 

[tardigrade81]

Yep. When the officials aren't making calls for Tampa they're running board picks for them. lol at the officials stopping a puck from exiting Dallas zone multiple times in the game. Then when Dallas has puck in offensive end, intercepting Dallas passes on the boards so Tampa can get the puck. its lol time with where these officials are.

But the funniest thing Ive ever seen in s cup final since the Brett Hull goal was Tampa net being dislodged in gm 3, and then continuing play for 90 secs after so that in effect any goal tampas scores in that time is a good goal, and Dallas can't score. I mean WTF was that? Dallas had possession twice in the sequence and they're like what are we supposed to do, wheres the whistle? The Tampa net was completely sideways. What were the officials doing.

That one was bizarro world.

There’s no doubt, it seems Tampa is getting the calls and the puck luck this season. The bruins series, wow.... I have never seen so many calls go in favour of a team. However, with saying that.... this truly seems like Tampa’s year. I predicted a Dallas win and I was wrong. I’ll admit, I didn’t watch the entire game (was watching stranger Things) but Tampa just seems like they are destined to win the cup this year. It’s like
Lakers winning it this year
Chiefs winning super bowl last year
Patriots winning it the year before
Red Sox winning World Series in 2018
Katie Cummings is winning BBW porno last year

It’s destiny you know.....


Ugh, I’m drunk. Forgive me . I respect your posts. Good night.

 

[Kyle McMahon]

Skill can do that. If you were around for the dynasty Oilers, they did that more often than you'd like. Play smug and entitled for portions of the game, get calls because of your speed and skill. Of course, they also had the ability to really turn it up to another level, but this isn't completely unheard of for a skill team.

The biggest difference is that 35 years ago there was no game management and if the Oilers were up 7-2 and drew a penalty, it'd still be called.

I'm not sure about that. The 80s Oilers had among the fewest PPs in the league year after year. That doesn't really make a lot of sense if officials weren't managing the game (as in not giving them a PP with a three goal lead). I'd argue the officials haven't managed the game enough in this series. The Lightning PP is at like 75% in this series. So you're basically awarding a goal. Call needs to be solid, not some weak hold away from the play.

 

[Cloned]

I'm not sure about that. The 80s Oilers had among the fewest PPs in the league year after year. That doesn't really make a lot of sense if officials weren't managing the game (as in not giving them a PP with a three goal lead). I'd argue the officials haven't managed the game enough in this series. The Lightning PP is at like 75% in this series. So you're basically awarding a goal. Call needs to be solid, not some weak hold away from the play.

That's because they'd often do what I said, play uninterested and "lazy" (for lack of a better term) for portions of the game, and let their skill and speed take over when they felt like it. Once they turned it on though, the opposition was either being scored on or taking a penalty.

What I saw in this game was incompetence moreso than bias. Stupid calls, missed calls, both going both ways.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

If you’re a Cup winning team you nail that 4-on-3.

 

[Oilhawks]

If you’re a Cup winning team you nail that 4-on-3.

A cup-winning team shouldn’t have to rely on the power play to win.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

A cup-winning team shouldn’t have to rely on the power play to win.

No wonder we lost in the prelim.

shouldn’t be giving up multiple leads either.

 

[Oilhawks]

No wonder we lost in the prelim.

shouldn’t be giving up multiple leads either.

Except that the Oilers’ 5v5 play wasn’t terrible. Mostly goaltending and luck. But we’re not talking about the Oilers and they weren’t going to be a cup-winning team anyhow.

As if Tampa wasn’t guilty of the same this playoffs, or any team, for that matter...ever.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Except that the Oilers’ 5v5 play wasn’t terrible. Mostly goaltending and luck. But we’re not talking about the Oilers and they weren’t going to be a cup-winning team anyhow.

As if Tampa wasn’t guilty of the same this playoffs, or any team, for that matter...ever.

Being good on special teams helps.
I told you all that Tampa had something going.

 

[Kyle McMahon]

That's because they'd often do what I said, play uninterested and "lazy" (for lack of a better term) for portions of the game, and let their skill and speed take over when they felt like it. Once they turned it on though, the opposition was either being scored on or taking a penalty.

What I saw in this game was incompetence moreso than bias. Stupid calls, missed calls, both going both ways.

And the incompetence always seems to break Tampa's way one more time than the other team. What have they won, 8 games in OT now?

 

[doulos]

Just logged on to see Replacement's meltdown that I just KNEW was going to be happening. Like clockwork. One more for the Bolts. This has been long overdue for this team and anyone who actually watched them knew it.