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Raccoon Jesus

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The irony being of course that Nylander is struggling like crazy. I'm sure he'll get it back on track but whoa. If other teams were subject to the same criticism our players get, Nylander would be a worth a 3rd right now.
 

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The irony being of course that Nylander is struggling like crazy. I'm sure he'll get it back on track but whoa. If other teams were subject to the same criticism our players get, Nylander would be a worth a 3rd right now.

It was foreseeable considering he missed training camp and a chunk of the regular season.
 

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This is the clearest separation I've seen between league powerhouses and 'the pack' in the cap era, imo.

It's mostly just TB. Like when Gretzky was putting up 215 points, but everyone else was more normal.

The Kings aren't the only team struggling with long-term contracts having gone to older players. I think this has a lot to do with it. Also, maybe players with the long-term deals just aren't as motivated.

I don't think the players do this consciously, but let's be honest insecurity makes humans nervous and more aggressive. Security makes us more "mellow".

I can't prove it, but my gut is telling me that NHL rosters in general are not turning over at the rate they used to turn over.

That's been the case for years now.

The cap has leveled everything out. You used to have the big spenders, and everyone else. Now everyone is everyone else. Every GM has to be a small market GM looking for value, because every dollar has to count. Every GM wants the same thing; young, cheap, productive players. Every one in a while, a trade here or there, you might get a GM that does something that goes against that want. For the most part though, nobody is looking to trade the good 20 year old on an ELC, or the 25 year old with a couple years left on his 2nd contract, and very few GMs will want the 30+ year old with half a decade left.
 
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KINGS17

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It's mostly just TB. Like when Gretzky was putting up 215 points, but everyone else was more normal.



That's been the case for years now.

The cap has leveled everything out. You used to have the big spenders, and everyone else. Now everyone is everyone else. Every GM has to be a small market GM looking for value, because every dollar has to count. Every GM wants the same thing; young, cheap, productive players. Every one in a while, a trade here or there, you might get a GM that does something that goes against that want. For the most part though, nobody is looking to trade the good 20 year old on an ELC, or the 25 year old with a couple years left on his 2nd contract, and very few GMs will want the 30+ year old with half a decade left.
I think it is more due to long-term contracts, which is a by product of the cap. We know the owners can fix that in the next CBA.
 
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Pretty good game between the two Alberta teams thus far, 3-2 Flames midway through the 3rd. We like to ride the Oilers about the Lucic contract for obvious reasons but the Flames giving Neal that 5 year x $5.75 million deal is brutal. For all the good Treliving has done in Calgary, that one is a big wart.

He’s just not fit in with them.

That’s an anchor on their cap for the forseable future.

Got to credit Vegas for letting him walk. Apparently, they didn’t even make an offer.
 

Steve Zissou

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Pretty good game between the two Alberta teams thus far, 3-2 Flames midway through the 3rd. We like to ride the Oilers about the Lucic contract for obvious reasons but the Flames giving Neal that 5 year x $5.75 million deal is brutal. For all the good Treliving has done in Calgary, that one is a big wart.

He’s just not fit in with them.

That’s an anchor on their cap for the forseable future.

Got to credit Vegas for letting him walk. Apparently, they didn’t even make an offer.

I'm surprised he actually has 12 points. Of the handful of Flames games I've watched he was completely invisible.

Certain guys just work on certain teams... ie Tatar not working on Vegas...
 
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Raccoon Jesus

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I'm surprised he actually has 12 points. Of the handful of Flames games I've watched he was completely invisible.

Certain guys just work on certain teams... ie Tatar not working on Vegas...

Totally agree.

People underestimate chemistry and 'fit' in hockey. Though of course most of the time you won't know until it happens. Neal doesn't appear to be working at all in Calgary.
 

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There is a reason a guy as talented as Neal gets moved around so much and exposed in expansion drafts. He isn't terrible as a one trick instant offense type guy on a short contract, but on a team like Calgary that is loaded offensively he has no place. 5 years was just awful.
 

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There is a reason a guy as talented as Neal gets moved around so much and exposed in expansion drafts. He isn't terrible as a one trick instant offense type guy on a short contract, but on a team like Calgary that is loaded offensively he has no place. 5 years was just awful.

You ask Nashville fans, they were upset that the Preds basically had to expose Neal. They haven't really missed him though. Neither has Vegas. So Toffoli is likely a luxury in terms of trade value.

When you have 5 players that are on pace for between 120 and 87 points, you can hide a contract like Neal's. Although it might start to get tricky with Tkachuk this summer. Rittich too. The good thing for the Flames though, Gaudreau and Giordano both take up only $6.75m on the cap. Will Tkachuk get more than them?
 
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You ask Nashville fans, they were upset that the Preds basically had to expose Neal. They haven't really missed him though. Neither has Vegas. So Toffoli is likely a luxury in terms of trade value.

When you have 5 players that are on pace for between 120 and 87 points, you can hide a contract like Neal's. Although it might start to get tricky with Tkachuk this summer. Rittich too. The good thing for the Flames though, Gaudreau and Giordano both take up only $6.75m on the cap. Will Tkachuk get more than them?

I expect MT to get similar to Nylander.
 

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Really smart deal for Carolina with Teuvo Teräväinen. Only five years given to a 24 year old player. They have him locked up for his prime with none of the downside, and according to Cap Friendly there is no NTC or NMC.

Pretty good for Carolina to get a winger who will likely be a 50-60 point producer over each of the next five seasons after this one.
 

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Helps when you're looking at a solid decade of not making the playoffs. Young players on a team like that don't break the bank, unless they're the elite guys. The Kings ended up having Brown on a similar % of the cap when he signed in 2007.
Helps when winning a championship doesn't affect the judgment of the GM, as it did with Bowman and Lombardi.

GMs need to understand which pieces of the puzzle are irreplaceable. Brown was an important piece, but not irreplaceable. His third contract, in terms of length, was a bad idea.
 
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Helps when winning a championship doesn't affect the judgment of the GM, as it did with Bowman and Lombardi.

GMs need to understand which pieces of the puzzle are irreplaceable. Brown was an important piece, but not irreplaceable. His third contract, in terms of length, was a bad idea.

When Brown signed wasn't the cap projected to sky rocket like 2 years into the deal. It never happened.
 

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When Brown signed wasn't the cap projected to sky rocket like 2 years into the deal. It never happened.
Which kind of shows how poorly GMs predict economics. The cap is very closely tied to the value of the Canadian dollar, which is largely dependent on the price of oil.

GM's should be basing their decisions on what the salary cap is at the time of the contract.
 
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Which kind of shows how poorly GMs predict economics. The cap is very closely tied to the value of the Canadian dollar, which is largely dependent on the price of oil.

GM's should be basing their decisions on what the salary cap is at the time of the contract.

completely agreed.
 
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