Speculation: Armchair GM Thread - 2020-2021

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It's very fun to see Oilers fans even attempt to come close to trying to justify that Koskinen = Markstrom. Of course them being delusional is expected but I think an underrated part of us signing him is how they now get to act like a vezina calibre goalie is at all equivalent to Mikko Koskinen


A BMW and a Toyota Corolla can both get you to work, so essentially they are the same.
 
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Oilers fans are oblivious to the fact that they have no chance of repeating an all-world 30% powerplay. Especially if we have a play-off style Canadian division. They added some nice offensive depth pieces but they're still in serious trouble defensively.
 

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It's very fun to see Oilers fans even attempt to come close to trying to justify that Koskinen = Markstrom. Of course them being delusional is expected but I think an underrated part of us signing him is how they now get to act like a vezina calibre goalie is at all equivalent to Mikko Koskinen

They just big mad because we steal everyone that they pursue :laugh:
 
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Oilers fans are oblivious to the fact that they have no chance of repeating an all-world 30% powerplay. Especially if we have a play-off style Canadian division. They added some nice offensive depth pieces but they're still in serious trouble defensively.
I can vaguely see Edmonton producing well with Turris and Barrie, but the fact they are so hyped for Puljujarvi, and the idea they somehow are going to have a historic pp% again (despite the stats showing that, historically, those high pp% seasons are followed by middle of the road %'s) is beyond me. On top of bringing back Smith, and the big moves other Canadian teams made, I don't see how they think they are going to light it up and get to 1st in the div. No one tell them there's a chane Draisaitl isn't on MVP pace again this year to carry them to the playoffs
 

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Edmonton’s philosophy is clearly to outscore their problems. I could honestly see them doing that often enough to get some good results. But that goaltending and D is atrocious.

But man, McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, Kahun, a full year of Yamamoto and potentially an improved Puljujarvi is scary.
 

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Last season there were 23 forwards with a PDO (on-ice shooting percentage plus on-ice save percentage) over 103.5%.

5 played for Colorado
7 played for Tampa
3 played for the Rangers
Kailer Yamamato's PDO was greater than all of them


PlayerTeamPositionGPTOIOn-Ice SH%On-Ice SV%PDO
Kailer YamamotoEDMR27418.112.4593.831.063
Alex KillornT.BC, L68821.983310.9794.881.058
Nazem KadriCOLC51643.733311.5694.071.056
Anthony CirelliT.BC68908.366710.7994.581.054
Artemi PanarinNYRC, L691078.91712.2193.191.054
Valeri NichushkinCOLR65754.383310.1295.061.052
Brayden PointT.BC66943.466712.3492.541.049
Richard PanikWSHR59605.383310.5993.841.044
Tyler JohnsonT.BC65766.29.4694.911.044
Chris KreiderNYRC, L63819.366711.6792.61.043
Scott LaughtonPHIC, L49593.6511.4292.761.042
Steven StamkosT.BC57769.016712.1991.91.041
Nikita KucherovT.BR68957.833310.7193.311.04
Patric HornqvistPITR52637.31679.2194.791.04
Patrick KaneCHIR701140.86710.0294.011.04
Elias PetterssonVANC68921.783311.9991.871.039
Ryan StromeNYRC70947.383310.5693.281.038
David PastrnakBOSR70985.5511.0392.661.037
Ondrej PalatT.BL69911.610.7193.031.037
Joonas DonskoiCOLR65831.68339.4494.31.037
Craig SmithNSHC, R69751.58339.694.011.036
J.T. CompherCOLL67774.03339.6793.911.036
Andre BurakovskyCOLL58705.866710.0593.431.035
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It's very fun to see Oilers fans even attempt to come close to trying to justify that Koskinen = Markstrom. Of course them being delusional is expected but I think an underrated part of us signing him is how they now get to act like a vezina calibre goalie is at all equivalent to Mikko Koskinen

I’ve seen many oiler fans saying Koskinen will receive Vezina votes... not sure where they find this stuff but it gives me a nice laugh

So many of them feel obliged to follow the HFOil company line when it comes to Flames players. The other day I read one of them post that Rasmus Andersson was a garbage defenseman.
I swear, it would almost kill some of them to have to admit the truth.
 

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Hathaway. Again definitely a complimentary piece, but dude was an absolute animal for us on the fourth line. And killed PK's better than Janko did too (outside of faceoffs).
Hopefully Josh Leivo can fill a similar role to Hathaway then. Leivo is not as much an in your face physical player but does play the body and boards strong and wins battles for pucks, looking for teammates to open up scoring opportunities or to finish his setups. Not sure why he has not stuck anywhere longer with more prominent steady position? Attitude when he was younger? Tough situstion in Toronto re media, players ahead of him,coaching?
Just hope he finds a fit here and works out as a solid 3rd liner providing some secondary scoring and energy!
 

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I can vaguely see Edmonton producing well with Turris and Barrie, but the fact they are so hyped for Puljujarvi, and the idea they somehow are going to have a historic pp% again (despite the stats showing that, historically, those high pp% seasons are followed by middle of the road %'s) is beyond me. On top of bringing back Smith, and the big moves other Canadian teams made, I don't see how they think they are going to light it up and get to 1st in the div. No one tell them there's a chane Draisaitl isn't on MVP pace again this year to carry them to the playoffs

I could seriously see Josh Leivo adding more positives to Flames success than Poor-pool-party Pulju back in Edmonton!
 

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Are we going to see the four centres rolled out as Lindholm, Monohan, Backlund and Bennett?
It's possible, but I could also see Lindy, Backs, Benny, Ryan with Monahan on the wing (I think Ward mentioned in an interview they might try him out there)
 

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Edmonton’s philosophy is clearly to outscore their problems. I could honestly see them doing that often enough to get some good results. But that goaltending and D is atrocious.

But man, McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, Kahun, a full year of Yamamoto and potentially an improved Puljujarvi is scary.

What is scary about that?
 

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What is scary about what? The word scary being bolder?
There's nothing scary about any of kahun, Yamamoto, nuge or puljujarvi and we have beaten the oilers more times than we've lost to them during the mcdavid-drai era. That team got worse this summer not better. Klefbom will not play the majority of the upcoming season. There's not a single scary thing about the oilers unless mcdavid becomes interested in defense
 

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There's nothing scary about any of kahun, Yamamoto, nuge or puljujarvi and we have beaten the oilers more times than we've lost to them during the mcdavid-drai era. That team got worse this summer not better. Klefbom will not play the majority of the upcoming season. There's not a single scary thing about the oilers unless mcdavid becomes interested in defense
Yeah, there’s being an Oilers homer thinking they’re the best team in the league and then there is this...it’s just straight up denial.

None of those guys are scary on their own, but them riding shotgun with the best C duo in the league is. Especially when you consider McDavid and Draisaitl had to drag Neal, Kassian, Chiasson, Nygard and company the previous years. This is the best winger group Edmonton has surrounded their two elite C’s with ever, even if Puljujarvi doesn’t look any better than before he left.

Add in Barrie who puts up a bunch of points on a cheap “prove yourself” deal, and the Oilers are going to fill the net.

And for the record, I never said their team was scary, I said their offence is. That defence and goaltending is likely a disaster, but they very may well outscore those problems regularly.
 

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Man you're just an oilers fan. Their entire forward core had career years last year and they were mid range offensively. Drai will normalize and its going to hurt them bad.
Mcdavid largely plays alone. Any points people get off him are largely accidental as they stand around watching him score. He does not use linemates well.
 

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Yeah, huge Oilers fan right here.

I guess we will see, but that’s an improved offence on paper and no one will convince me otherwise until it falls apart on the ice.
 

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Would you guys deal Dube and Pelletier and Cirelli?
I wouldn't, mainly due to the point of cost. Flames have a ton of 1B -> 2C -> 3C type guys in their lineup and Cirelli is another one of those types of players. Why would we trade two of our top young players/prospects to add to our positional glut in the middle six at C? Dube is showing great potential, Pelletier is impressing prior to, and at the WJC camp, and Cirelli needs to be re-upped and would cost big money. I don't see the fit at all
 
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I wouldn't, mainly due to the point of cost. Flames have a ton of 1B -> 2C -> 3C type guys in their lineup and Cirelli is another one of those types of players. Why would we trade two of our top young players/prospects to add to our positional glut in the middle six at C? Dube is showing great potential, Pelletier is impressing prior to, and at the WJC camp, and Cirelli needs to be re-upped and would cost big money. I don't see the fit at all

I totally see your point of view, I can’t disagree. I would simply comment that perhaps you’re selling Cirelli a little short. I think he could legitimately grow into a ROR or Couturier caliber of player. Of course it’s not guarantee, but I do really like the player. I think he’s probably our best all around C, immediately and would allow to keep Lindholm on the wing.
 
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Mazatt

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I totally see your point of view, I can’t disagree. I would simply comment that perhaps you’re selling Cirelli a little short. I think he could legitimately grow into a ROR or Couturier caliber of player. Of course it’s not guarantee, but I do really like the player. I think he’s probably our best all around C, immediately and would allow to keep Lindholm on the wing.
That's fair, I'm most likely being shaded away from Cirelli as a 1C after he was injured and slowed down in the bubble. The more I think about it maybe Tkachuk Norris' idea of a Monahan trade and acquiring Cirelli is useful. Imo, I think it might be more pertinent to trade Backlund if we were to acquire Cirelli but I digress. It's a huge risk none the less but that's always the case, and personally I don't think the reward will be there compared to the risk, but it's easy to see where you're coming from with the idea that this will be a big boom pick
 
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Would you guys deal Dube and Pelletier and Cirelli?
I would do it. I think Pelletier is a long shot to be an impactful top 6 forward anytime soon. Dube is great but Cirelli is objectively better and plays center (it seems like we don't have any plans to develop Dube as a center)
 
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