Armchair GM Playoffs- Semi-Finals- Kinky KIRKs (1) vs Fighting Fremen of Arrakis (4)

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KINKY KIRKs

Forwards
Marchand - Crosby - Kurri
Zetterberg - McDavid - Bondra
LeClair - Lindros - Renberg
Parise - Arnott - Doan

Defense
Leetch - Foote
Kaspar - Doughty
Josi - Jones

Goalies
Barrasso
Moog

Press Box
Damphousse - Weight - Richer - Campbell

Powerplay
Lindros
Kurri Crosby
Leetch Doughty

LeClair
Bondra McDavid
Josi Jones

Penalty Kill
Parise - Zetterberg
Leetch - Foote

Marchand - Arnott
Doughty - Kaspar

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Fighting Fremen of Arrakis

Forwards
Luc Robitialle - Messier - D. Alfredsson
Michel Goulet -Dale Hawerchuk -Tony Amonte
Kirk Muller -Jonathan Toews -Justin Williams
Brian Bellows -Rod Brind'Amour -Tim Kerr

Defense
Chris Pronger - Erik Karlsson
Steve Duchesne - Shea Weber
Mark Giordano - Kjell Samuelsson

Goalies
Martin Brodeur
Pekka Rinne

Press Box
Vincent LeCavalier - Ron Hextall - Bob Probert - Mike Ramsey

Powerplay
Robitaille - Hawerchuk - Kerr
Erik Karlsson - Shea Weber

Goulet - Messier - Alfredsson
Pronger - Duchene

Penalty Kill
Messier - Toews
Pronger - Duchesne

Muller - Brind'Amour
Giordano - Samuelsson
 

KIRK

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I'd really love to read thoughts from @Mr Jiggyfly and @td_ice about how they see this matchup, because I think this is going to be one heck of a series where nobody leaps out as a clear cut favorite.

For me, AT FIRST GLANCE ONLY, here's what stands out: I think the LOD line is a matchup problem for the Fremen, and I think the Fremen have a healthy advantage in net (yes, Jiggy, Barrasso is playing for his daughter, but he's no Uncle Daddy when it comes to deriving inspiration from the personal life :razz:).
 

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I'd really love to read thoughts from @Mr Jiggyfly and @td_ice about how they see this matchup, because I think this is going to be one heck of a series where nobody leaps out as a clear cut favorite.

For me, AT FIRST GLANCE ONLY, here's what stands out: I think the LOD line is a matchup problem for the Fremen, and I think the Fremen have a healthy advantage in net (yes, Jiggy, Barrasso is playing for his daughter, but he's no Uncle Daddy when it comes to deriving inspiration from the personal life :razz:).

First off, it’s important to note that I shouldn’t let my son use my iPhone, especially after he eats cheese curls. So if I misspell any words...

And ya, I agree Freeman have the edge in goal, but I honestly like this matchup for the KIRKS even more so than the last round.

I think the Freeman’s lack of speed is going to be a major issue in this series. I’m looking at all these plodders, Hawerchuk, Robitialle, Bellows and Kerr (yikes).

I see the Freeman’s fourth line and Hawerchuk as major areas we can exploit, especially having last change in 4 of 7. And if you can’t rotate four lines against the KIRKS for seven games, your top three lines are going to wear down... so rolling your entire lineup I believe is absolutely crucial to beating the KIRKS.

I also only see one line that can handle the LOD in terms of size, and that’s the plodding fourth line, which is still a big advantage for the KIRKS.

I see us shutting down their top line by matching them up with the LOD, and using the Crosby and McDavid lines to exploit line 4 and Hawerchuk with their lack of foot speed.

If the Freeman muck it up and rely on Brodeur, they could obviously take the series though.

But in the end, I just see lots of ways to exploit this matchup for the KIRKS either with the size of the LOD or the speed of the Crosby and McDavid lines.
 
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The Fremen will be facing a great team, but honestly feels that this is a great matchup for us. Of the 4 teams left, the blue line of the KK's, imo, is the weakest. And that our Defensive corps is exactly what we planned for when we drafted. We have the skill and the size to deal with the Legion of Doom. Their forwards, some, maybe be faster than ours, but we still have speed. Messier can fly, Amonte can fly, Alfie was great skater. We feel we have better playoff style players as evidenced by having done it in real world playoffs, counting up the Conn Smythe's. Not to mention the gap in goaltending.



We believe we can greatly exploit the Kirk's Defensive corps. Adam Foote, and his lack of foot speed, and not having the ability to use your stick as a weapon anymore, will be hard pressed to stop the likes of Messier, Alfie, Kerr on the PP, etc. And while we know of Leetch's offensive prowess, his D is a bit lacking. It's a first D pairing we will lick our chops at. Doughty is amazing, we grant that, and glad he is not on 1 D. Although he was a Pens player, and decent pest, we don't see Kasparitis having the chops to stop our forwards, in such a big role.



The Fremen defensively can handle the speed and the size of Kirk's. In games we get the matchups we like, we will move up Shea Weber and have him and Pronger as a formidable duo that can deal with anything thrown at them. And Duchesne and EK 65 forming D2. But even when not stacking the Fremen will have great size on each of their D pairings. Pronger 6'6" 220,, Weber 6'4" 230, and Kjell Samuelsson at 6'6" 235. Those 3 along with , offensive stud in Karlsson, great 2 way play from Duchesne and Giordano will be a great challenge for any forwards, get by them, our great defensive forwards, in Alfie, Toews, Brind'Amour, etc, and you got one of the best goaltenders in NHL history.



I think another factor is the winning pedigree of Fremen players. Not one can match Messier as a playoff warrior, not even Sid. And while McDavid has been a regular season demon, we don't know if he can do what our guys have done. Perform well in the grind of the playoffs, facing same team for 7 games. He probably can, but until he actually proves it.........He has one playoff year, and was outscored on his team by Mark Letestu. (Team North America, which was loaded, was too small of a sample size, but he had no goals in 3 games.) While the Fremen boast, Conn Smythe winners in Mess, Toews, and Williams. We have plenty of guys that have actually done it. You don't need to project with them. (At center we have combined 10 Cups, 6 for Mess, only player to Captain two different franchises to the Cup, 3 with Toews, and another with Brind'Amour. The Kirk's have 3 with Sid, one with Arnott.)



Our top 3 lines can handle the majority of the workload. Our 4th doesn't figure to see a ton of ice. But we will make sure that Brind'Amour gets sprinkled in when needed, in addition to tons of PK time. And Kerr will be primarily what he was in the regular season, a net front stud on the PP. Their strengths will be maximized.


In summary, the Fremen were built for playoff hockey. We feel we have the distinct defensive corps advantage, a distinct goalie advantage, and real world playoff tested and approved playoff forwards. The perfect recipe for playoff winning.



**Fremen will be brining Vinny Lecavalier into the mix. Benching Brian Bellows. Gets us more size, more playoff tested player in.
 
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All good points TD.

Just have to counter that Messier won’t be allowed to skate with his elbows high every shift under the new rules. That was a huge part of his game and he was the king of dirty head shots. If he wants to put the KIRKS on the PP, probably going to get burned. He will be playing a more neutered style for what was effective for him back when the NHL didn’t care about lawsuits and silly things like brain damage.

KIRKS and Freeman actually have an equal amount of cup winners and the KIRKS also have three CS winners as well. Williams was a big game guy, but KIRKS can counter with cup heroes like Arnott and Leclair who are well known for their OT heroics.

Zetterberg/Alfredsson and Lindros/Toews are a wash in terms of two way play IMHO. Williams and Marchand are a wash also.

After that, I see a massive advantage in two way players for the KIRKS.

I don’t see any wingers on the Freeman even remotely in Kurri’s class, not only in terms of playoff pedigree (third in playoff points all time), but probably the greatest two way forward of his generation.

Leclair was one of the best defensive Lws of all time, whereas Robitaille was barely avg.

Hawerchuk was simply put, a big defensive liability and he’s paired with two wingers who weren’t very good two way guys. That’s why I think that line is going to get exploited over and over again.

So I obviously believe the KIRKS actually have the advantage when it comes to intangibles, two way players and money guys.
 
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Gotcha.

The one thing of many I love about our team is our depth down the middle. If there is a matchup that doesn't look good in our favor, we got a defensive stud in Brind'Amour who can move into L2, or L3, and then Lecavalier, shifting from very limited wing duty on the 4th line, becomes our 4th line center. Our coach won't hesitate to bench a player and move in a better defensive player. As we feel we have plenty of offensive firepower. We want the best defensive players out there. With Messier, Toews, Rod the Bod, and Lecavalier, if it appears Hawerchuk, can't hang, we have the depth and versatility to correct in game, especially with Lecavalier being inserted into the lineup.

That 5th strong center in the lineup gives us the ability to instantly course correct. Hawerchuk can easily drop to 4th line, and become similar to Kerr, very limited ES minutes, and a PP specialist. And Lecavalier becomes an outstanding 4th line center to have. And we have more than enough confidence in our top 3 centers in Messier, Toews, and Brind'Amour, can handle the tough minutes. All, including Lecavalier, are Stanley Cup winners at center.
 
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For me a lot of this series comes down to era. I think KINKY has the edge in today's NHL, but there is no rule that says we are playing in today's game. I also think KINKY's is closer to the type of team I would build and see some similarities between my thought process, just with KINKY getting Crosby and McDavid.

That said, I agree that Freman has the better D core and goaltending as well as championship pedigree. This is a series that should go 6+ games.
 

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For me a lot of this series comes down to era. I think KINKY has the edge in today's NHL, but there is no rule that says we are playing in today's game. I also think KINKY's is closer to the type of team I would build and see some similarities between my thought process, just with KINKY getting Crosby and McDavid.

That said, I agree that Freman has the better D core and goaltending as well as championship pedigree. This is a series that should go 6+ games.

We agreed it was going to be played by today’s NHL rules, but I think that was when there were ten of us and you probably didn’t see that discussion?
 
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We agreed it was going to be played by today’s NHL rules, but I think that was when there were ten of us and you probably didn’t see that discussion?

I seem to have that problem a lot lately haha. 2 young kids at home, my wife starting a business, and my crazy job has my brain fried
 
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Close match up....if it is an offensive type game, I like the Kirks, if it comes down to goaltending, the Fremen get the nod from me.

Fremen look like they could play a masterful checking game and their last line of defense, Brodeur or Rinne, can clean up whatever the skaters miss in coverage.

Kirks look to have an awesome offense... Crosby, McDavid, Lindros down the middle? You kidding me? Not fair! And then they have this "slug" Arnott on the 4th line (he isn't really, but just to highlight my point of how good the top three line centers are that he is relegated to line 4...Arnott is a fine, tough center).

The defense also looks like a match of offense and finesse (Kirks) vs tough put-you-through-the glass checking (Fremen).

I like Brodeur/Rinne over Barasso/Moog, and while Barasso should be able to hold his own, if he goes down with injury, the Fremen could certainly exploit Andy Moog with a nasty crash the net type game their forward lines are capable of.

Sending in my vote....
 

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The first semi-final series started off with a bang, literally. A minute and thirty-nine seconds into the game, Pronger pasted Lindros from behind, sending him mouth first into the boards and eventually into the locker room. The Fremen had to start their series off with a 5 minute kill, but the KIRKs had to play the rest of the game down a center. Broduer and the Fremen's kill held strong, only letting up a McDavid goal in the entire 5 minute sequence. Throughout the rest of the game, the remaining LOD line looked a bit disjointed juggling different centers. The rest of the opening period was relatively uneventful, but slightly chippy. The second opened up some with Hawerchuk dishing out a pair of helpers- one to Goulet and another to a pinching Karlsson. Kaspar keep going out of his way to lay hits on Pronger and generally being a pest, which paid off towards the end of the period when he was able to draw Pronger into a roughing penalty. The first powerplay unit of the KIRKs only needed 13 seconds for Crosby to find paydirt from one knee, shortside to tie it up. Both teams traded chances into the third, with the Fremen throwing 4 men to attack and the KIRKs soaking it up and counterattacking. Shea Weber unleashed a bomb from the point that ended up taking a pair of deflections, one off of LeClair and the other off of Justin Williams to knot the game. The teams punched and counter-punched into overtime. In OT, the lack of a 4th center started to wear a bit and Crosby and McDavid crossed their signals on a line change, leading to a Too Many Men penalty. The Fremen got too fancy with their passing on the advantage and Zetterberg was able to get a stick in the lane and go the other way... only be to stoned with Marty, who recovered quickly and turned the puck the other way, trapping Zetterberg and Parise way behind the play, resulting in Messier feeding Goulet on the break for the winner.

Before Game Two, the KIRKs were hit with the news that Lindros would not be cleared to play, resulting in Doug Weight drawing into the lineup. The first was marked by Marchand and Kaspar taking turns trying to bounce Pronger around. No fireworks, no penalties. Barrasso and Broduer both kept their creases clean, smothering shots. Kurri thought he opened the scoring, but a coaches challenge called the goal back because of an offside on the entry by Kurri. In the second, Lucky Luc actually opened the scoring on a nifty little give and go with Alfredsson and using a screen from Messier. A couple minutes later, Crosby thought he had tied it up, but the goal was waived off on account of Marchand being called for interference when he set a pick on Toews that gave Sid the space he needed. A frustrated KIRKs didn't back down and regrouped and killed the resulting penalty. Near the end of the period the KIRKs makeshift LOD line (centered by Arnott) put pressure on the Fremen, sliding one home at the buzzer... only to be reviewed and called off because it didn't go in until after the horn. In the third period the KIRKs let their frustrations show, forcing passes and having mental errors. I blind cross ice pass by Weight was picked off and sprung the Toews line on a 3-on-2, capped off by Justin Williams jamming home a Muller rebound. Crosby's line helped claw back to within one by finally getting the KIRKs on the board with a Kurri goal (no review). However, with the goalie pulled, under a minute left, Messier sealed the game with an empty netter.

Game Three started with good news that Lindros was cleared to play, and he had 2 games of energy saved up. On the opening shift, Lindros made no doubt that he was going after Pronger. After two big hits on Pronger, Lindros and him decided to dance. Gloves dropped, fists flew, and Pronger fell, busted open above the eye. Lindros got his 5 for fighting in the box. Pronger got his 5 in the locker room trying to get stitched up. This gave the KIRKs their energy. Bondra turned home a McDavid pass and Doan crashed the net to jam home a loose puck from a Doughty shot, all before Lindros and Pronger got back on the ice. Once Lindros was released, he took over. The LOD line made the second period their period. Lindros potted a pair, LeClair and Renberg both picking up a pair of assists. Giordano was able to briefly break the dominance with a laser beam over Barrasso's shoulder, but the pressure was back on after that until the end. Renberg picked up a goal and, for good measure, Parise put the cherry on top.

Game Four saw the LOD line still running on excitement and making up for lost time. Lindros opened the scoring early, driving to the net and sliding one home between Marty's pads. Tim Kerr tried to imitate Lindros' goal, but was called for goalie interference. The power play saw Crosby, Kurri, and Leetch copy Barcelona's tiko-taka triangle game, finishing it off with a Leetch goal. The LOD got greedy in the second, throwing everything at the net, pucks and bodies, leading to a Robitialle breakaway. Luc buried a quick wrister under Barrasso's arm. Things settled down after that. Players were cautious, not wanting to be the straw that broke the game for their team. The Fremen pulled their goalie early, around the 2 minute mark. Chances were had, but were fruitless in the end. The series is tied at 2.

Game Five lacked the fireworks from the previous four games. Your typical playoff game emerged. Crosby feed off the home crowd and opened the scoring. Minutes later, Hawerchuk countered and quieted the crowd. LeClair and Muller took penalties, resulting in a 4-on-4. The KIRKs took advantage and Josi found the back of the net with some rare ice time. LeCavalier gets into the action with a goal early in the third to setup a thrilling ride to the end. Goalies stood tall and posts were hit on both sides. Neither team wanted to be pushed to the brink of elimination, but at the end Zetterberg broke through with around 2 minutes left, pushing the Fremen to the edge.

Game Six had the Fremen determined to push back and force a Game 7. A fired up Amonte fired home two goals in a minute and seven seconds, bringing the home crowd roaring to life. Williams piled on with a goal to stretch the lead to three before the end of the period. Lindros exerted his will on the series again, netting a goal on the power play and then later on with a wrap around with Broduer getting obstructed going post to post by Weber. Messier answered with a goal on the rush. Messier giveth and taketh away, however. He drew blood on Kurri with a high stick, putting that deadly KIRKs powerplay on the ice. Lindros completed his hat trick and McDavid knotted the game up. With the Fremen on the back foot, they tried to push back, but couldn't quite get the footing. Goulet turned the puck over at the blueline trying to make a move around Foote. Foote poked the puck away and knocked Goulet down, a backchecking Marchand grabbed the loose puck and fired a tape to tape pass to Crosby, who read the play and had two steps on Duchense already. Sid barreled down on Broduer, leg kick, shoulder drop, Marty bit, Sid turned the puck to his backhand and roofed the series winner.

Kinky KIRKs advance 4-2
 

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