Confirmed Trade: [ARI/MTL] Jordan Weal for Michael Chaput

[Dirty Dan]

Jordan "The Real Deal" Weal

 

[McDrailers]

Weal Snipe Celly boys,

Dirty f***ing dangles boys

 

[Michoulicious]

Jordan "The Real Deal" Weal

*The Weal Deal

 

[scrubadam]

We're not pressed to get rid of contracts, it's not like we have so many players to sign and have to make room by weeding out the weaker ones. So it's an necessary move at best.

Just because you're not buying a horse doesn't mean you have to buy something, anything just for the sake of buying.

Well we didn't buy anything we just traded one 4th liner for another.

And ya it wasn't necessary, this was a move that could of been done 2 weeks ago or in the summer, but there also was no reason not to do this trade. Chaput was done as a hab so we got out under his contract. This could of been done last week or in the summer or today doesn't really make a difference. We got rid of a contract the team didn't want next year.

 

[double5son10]

We're not pressed to get rid of contracts, it's not like we have so many players to sign and have to make room by weeding out the weaker ones. So it's an necessary move at best.

Just because you're not buying a horse doesn't mean you have to buy something, anything just for the sake of buying.

Didn't "buy" anything. Habs exchanged a spare part player who had an extra year on his contract for one that didn't. And FWIW Weal has scored twice as many pts. in fewer games than Chaput, has better underlying metrics, and gives them a right-handed center, which they lack.
Obviously this isn't a plan the parade trade, but why hang on to Chaput? It's clear he couldn't cut it at the NHL level. You give Weal a 20 game tryout, and if he can't cut it either than you're not wasting a contract spot next year. Nothing wrong for Montreal w/ this move, at all.

 

[Edgy]

Didn't "buy" anything. Habs exchanged a spare part player who had an extra year on his contract for one that didn't. And FWIW Weal has scored twice as many pts. in fewer games than Chaput, has better underlying metrics, and gives them a right-handed center, which they lack.
Obviously this isn't a plan the parade trade, but why hang on to Chaput? It's clear he couldn't cut it at the NHL level. You give Weal a 20 game tryout, and if he can't cut it either than you're not wasting a contract spot next year. Nothing wrong for Montreal w/ this move, at all.

We're making moves that provide slight improvement to the team, which would be fine if it were coupled with moves addressing needs that will improve the team significantly.

The problem is every year we do the same exact thing, we go and get a bunch of 4th liners and say we couldn't get the players we needed, we end up either missing the playoffs or existing after round 1. That ensures we never get a high draft pick to pick the type of talent we need that we can grow since we can't trade for one.

So in essence, all these moves are a waste of time and resources that perpetuate the state of mediocrity we've been stuck in forever. And that is my problem with these moves.

 

[sandysan]

Can he skate?

he's ok and pretty good on draws

 

[double5son10]

We're making moves that provide slight improvement to the team, which would be fine if it were coupled with moves addressing needs that will improve the team significantly.

The problem is every year we do the same exact thing, we go and get a bunch of 4th liners and say we couldn't get the players we needed, we end up either missing the playoffs or existing after round 1. That ensures we never get a high draft pick to pick the type of talent we need that we can grow since we can't trade for one.

So in essence, all these moves are a waste of time and resources that perpetuate the state of mediocrity we've been stuck in forever. And that is my problem with these moves.

Demonstrably false on both counts, but if that's the narrative you want to believe knock yourself out.

 

[Edgy]

Demonstrably false on both counts, but if that's the narrative you want to believe knock yourself out.

Dude seriously? How many top 5 picks have we had since winning the cup in 93? How many conference finals? How many Stanley Cup Finals? Stop being so literal.

 

[Hostile Offer]

We're making moves that provide slight improvement to the team, which would be fine if it were coupled with moves addressing needs that will improve the team significantly.

The problem is every year we do the same exact thing, we go and get a bunch of 4th liners and say we couldn't get the players we needed, we end up either missing the playoffs or existing after round 1. That ensures we never get a high draft pick to pick the type of talent we need that we can grow since we can't trade for one.

So in essence, all these moves are a waste of time and resources that perpetuate the state of mediocrity we've been stuck in forever. And that is my problem with these moves.

This has been a weird, unexpectedly good year for the Habs. Shouldn't be making any major decisions (seller or buyer?) based on this year. Kids like Kotkaniemi and Domi would really benefit from some playoff experience which is why I'm fine with these minor upgrades but at the same time we aren't a cup contender by any means so jettisoning any big assets to make run wouldn't make sense either. Long term yes, we need to pick a direction (I'm hoping we keep getting younger) but we're not in the position to do that right now. In the past, I agree, we should've probably been more aggressive.

 

[lakai17]

May be good change for Weal or he's destined for the ahl/Europe.

 

[ole ole]

4 quarters for a dollar but that may be overvaluing both guys....... 25 pennies for a quarter.

Chaput has 1 more year under contract, Weal is expiring. Creative way to free up a contract for next year?

This guy gets it.

 

[swimmer77]

fn ouch

 

[swimmer77]

Too bad that wasn't Lord Byron.

 

[swimmer77]

I'm in the wrong thread! LOL

 

[Mike Mike Caron]

Weal see if he's the Weal deal.

 

[Doxinoctae]

So shampoo for a wheel?

i will try that to the car retail next time !

 

[Doxinoctae]

What a steaming pile of Pu

Cliff Pu Michael Chaput Andrew Shaw : best 4th line name

 

[thepuckguru]

We're making moves that provide slight improvement to the team, which would be fine if it were coupled with moves addressing needs that will improve the team significantly.
So what you are saying is that this guy is the guy who stops us from falling in the standings.

We're making moves that provide slight improvement to the team, which would be fine if it were coupled with moves addressing needs that will improve the team significantly.

The problem is every year we do the same exact thing, we go and get a bunch of 4th liners and say we couldn't get the players we needed, we end up either missing the playoffs or existing after round 1. That ensures we never get a high draft pick to pick the type of talent we need that we can grow since we can't trade for one.

So in essence, all these moves are a waste of time and resources that perpetuate the state of mediocrity we've been stuck in forever. And that is my problem with these moves.

The problem is every year we do the same exact thing, we go and get a bunch of 4th liners and say we couldn't get the players we needed, we end up either missing the playoffs or existing after round 1. That ensures we never get a high draft pick to pick the type of talent we need that we can grow since we can't trade for one.

So in essence, all these moves are a waste of time and resources that perpetuate the state of mediocrity we've been stuck in forever. And that is my problem with these moves.

Ok so first off what you are saying isn't completely true.
Vanek for colberg(who? Exactly)
Petry for a second and 5th
Not 4th liners
Weiss for Raphael Diaz ok 4th liner that along with Fleishman turned into Danault and a 2nd.
That being said, I don't get what your point is. Are you upset that he didn't get first line players that would have resulted in even later draft picks in the draft? And did these 4th liners make us that much better that we lost our existing draft position because they made us that much better in the playoffs? If you are the last place team entering the playoffs the only way you change draft position is if you make to the conference finals or the actual finals. If that happens I think its worth it. This trade was made for 2 reasons. One was to free up a contract next year. We had 10 picks last year another 10 this year and several from years before. We are close to the maximum contracts we can have, if Chaput isn't in the plan well let's free up that space. The second was a right handed faceoff specialist. It's a small detail that can have a real importance come the end of a game that is very tight.

 

[1909]

Habs badly needed a top-four LHD.... They got "another" 4th line player.....

 

[Edgy]

Ok so first off what you are saying isn't completely true.
Vanek for colberg(who? Exactly)
Petry for a second and 5th
Not 4th liners
Weiss for Raphael Diaz ok 4th liner that along with Fleishman turned into Danault and a 2nd.

Just off the top of my head: Dietz, Mitchel, Flynn, Bourque, Prust, Sekac, Tangardi, Malhorta, Scott, Semin, Parenteau, etc.. All freakin useless players that we signed or traded for that were nothing but spot fillers and had no real impact on the team.

That being said, I don't get what your point is. Are you upset that he didn't get first line players that would have resulted in even later draft picks in the draft? And did these 4th liners make us that much better that we lost our existing draft position because they made us that much better in the playoffs? If you are the last place team entering the playoffs the only way you change draft position is if you make to the conference finals or the actual finals. If that happens I think its worth it.

I'm upset because we keep pushing to make the playoffs, that's it. We never make moves that will make us a contender. We're content with getting into the playoffs with no chance of winning the Stanley Cup and leaving us with no chance of drafting a McDavid, a Matthews, a Crosby, etc..

We're not committed to anything except making the playoffs. We're not committed to trying to win it all and we're not committed to tanking to draft the sort of players we need. We don't want to mortgage the future to try and win it all but we also don't want to do what needs to be done to get players that will ensure a better future. These are what these moves are about and why I'm upset.

This trade was made for 2 reasons. One was to free up a contract next year. We had 10 picks last year another 10 this year and several from years before. We are close to the maximum contracts we can have, if Chaput isn't in the plan well let's free up that space. The second was a right handed faceoff specialist. It's a small detail that can have a real importance come the end of a game that is very tight.

That point makes no sense. Either we need Weal to fill in the missing right handed face off spot and we re-sign him, thus canceling the free spot left by Chaput's departure or we don't re-sign him and have to sign someone else to fill in that need and again canceling that free spot. So we have no free spot, we have a vacant position that we need filled one way or another and we don't have anyone in the farm that we can bring up to fill it, otherwise we wouldn't have traded for Weal and instead just dumped Chaput for a pick.

My problem isn't that we signed Weal, my problem is we ONLY signed Weal type players. It's clear that management hasn't picked a direction and is content to sit on the fence like every other year.