Areas to improve on for next season

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  1. Sorinth

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    Subban has Norris trophy potential, since he isn't there yet there's obviously stuff he needs to learn/improve on. Off the top of my head I would say he needs to improve

    - Poise on the PP
    - Decision making on when to take risks vs play it safe
    - Shot Accuracy
    - Timing on big-hits
    - Decision making on when to go for the big-hit
    - Using his teammates more effectively
     
  2. Sorinth

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    Being 1st in the East and a possible SC contender is not a false objection.

    As for value yes he has value. A lottery ticket has value as well. The worse your odds of winning the lower the value will be. Same goes for Markov the risks associated with his injuries have reduced what people are willing to pay for him. Which makes him more valuable to us then what we could get in a trade.
     
  3. Habtchum*

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    A tough #12 or #13 forward.

    A big and tall tough shot blocking, crease clearing d-man.


    PP has to be improved as well as PK
     
  4. JohnLennon

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    Sorry dude, you're wrong. You wanted to give Pacioretty for JVR about three years ago. But whatever, believe what you want, because Markov for JVR was still a stupid deal three years ago regardless. Both your trade proposals were ridiculous and would get you fired as GM.

    I love how you ignore the fact that I repeated many times how Markov WAS the Montreal Canadiens, he was the singular proven, elite player on the team; the superstar of the Habs. I even showed you his point totals. Why on EARTH would you trade your superstar for James ****ing Van Riemsdyk, who had proven NOTHING as of yet in the league, playing on a team just as bad as we were? It is the most ridiculous trade proposal I have ever seen someone so desperately grasp at in a long time.

    Your argument for trading Markov for JVR was, and I quote "a core of Cammy, Gomez and Gionta wasn't going to take us anywhere..." LOL WHAT? Okay, correct as that may be, you don't trade arguably your most prized possession, your one proven superstar on your team, for a kid who hadn't done anything in the league and wasn't even that highly touted as a prospect. Look at his numbers, he has never gotten above 40 points in any competitive league. He has never won any awards of any note at all. If you don't like your core, trade THEM away, not your biggest piece for a player who hadn't proved anything as of yet and would only play a SUPPORT role to THE VERY CORE that you despised so much.

    Do you see now how terrible your logic is?

    If you wanted to trade Markov three years ago, in his prime, you could've gotten WAY more than just James Van Riemsdyk. What a terrible idea for a trade. And so what if JVR has 11 goals so far? Big deal! It doesn't prove anything. It proves he could get some decent goal scoring for 19 games in a season (and only four assists, mind you). He's never even gotten more than forty points in his life in any competitive league. He still hasn't proven anything yet, but of course you wanted to trade our superstar away to get him.

    Absolutely hilarious how you're still defending the ridiculous trade proposal.

    This makes too much sense.

    I can't comprehend how some people cannot see how Markov has way more value on our team than anything we can get coming our way in a trade would be to us. Obviously if we get an amazing return for him, go for it... but the fact that we will NOT is something that is hard to get through some of the thick skulls in here.
     
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    Gainey was terrible, he also offered a ridiculous package for Vinny. Gainey was very good in the beginning, after his daughter died, he lost his edge and didn't know how to put this team over the hump. His last couple years with the habs were atrocious.
     
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    Don't condescend when you put out useless posts like that, makes you look arrogant without the brains to warrant that arrogance.
     
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    The vinny package was subban, plekanec, higgins, gorges, and three 1st rounders.

    Is that what gainey offered and Tampa refused, or is that what Tampa wanted and gainey refused?

    It would have been far, far worse than the Gomez trade.
     
  9. Lafleurs Guy

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    No, it's not. Unlike the mentor crap, it's actually legit.

    Personally, I don't think that we're a real cup threat this year. But you're right, we're in first place. I still believe that dealing him would be better for us in the long run.
    No I didn't. I showed you the post. Everyone knows I wouldn't make this kind of proposal. I dont believe in trading prospects while you rebuild. It doesn't make sense... You say I proposed it... prove it.

    Put up or shut up.
     
  10. Lafleurs Guy

    Lafleurs Guy RIP Fugu

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    I remember there was some insane package... I can't believe he would've been that crazy. No way that can be real... Holy crap. :laugh:
     
  11. JohnLennon

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    Loving how you just completely disregard the rest of my massive post. It's obvious you realized I was right, so bringing up the three year old post is pointless because your whole idea was that the Markov trade was the better trade either way, and I just finished explaining how ridiculous it would have been.
     
  12. Lafleurs Guy

    Lafleurs Guy RIP Fugu

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    I didn't read the rest of your post... I read your BS and skipped the rest. I'm not going to argue with you on this.

    If you have a post, show it. Put up or shut up.

    I've shown you the links where I've proposed those trades.
     
  13. JohnLennon

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    This is getting silly. The post wasn't even about Pacioretty, it was about the Markov trade you claim you suggested...

    Just admit you're wrong for once man, it's always a constant battle with you!
     
  14. Lafleurs Guy

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    I've posted the thread for all to see. The trade suggestions were Markov for JVRD + a 1st. Or Cammy & Halak for JVRD + a pick.

    If you have any posts of my suggesting something where we deal away Pac then SHOW IT or stop wasting everyone's time. I'm not going to argue with you on something I never said.
     
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  16. JohnLennon

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    You're the only one bringing up the Pacioretty trade at this point, and for the past few posts. I think you're getting overly defensive because I pointed out how silly the Markov trade looked.
     
  17. DAChampion

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    Of course he's defensive, you're accusing him of saying something stupid he has no recollection of saying. You would be too.

    Just:
    1) Admit you are wrong.
    2) Show that in fact LG is wrong

    So that the interesting convo can move forward.

    As an aside, chilly would have given a lot more than JVRD for Markov, depending on the year.

    Unfortunately, Markov's value is way down.
     
  18. Lafleurs Guy

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    JVRD and a 1st. ;)
     

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