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No we just have two Stanley Cups.Good for Joe Sakic, congrats on the patience. Too bad we don’t have a prime MacKinnon.
No we just have two Stanley Cups.Good for Joe Sakic, congrats on the patience. Too bad we don’t have a prime MacKinnon.
No we just have two Stanley Cups.
Do you acknowledge that DL wasn't responsible for Sekera blowing his knee three games after the trade? Or Voynov bloodying his wife at the beginning of the season? Or Mike Richards being a drug addict?Basically all the terrible moves the Kings started making happened after June 2014. The following things contributed nothing to winning the SC's, so why do we use that excuse.
- Not buying out Mike Richards
- Re-signing 32 year old Gabby for 6 years
- Re-signing Greene for 4 years
- The Lucic trade
- The Kopitar extension
- The Doughty extension
- The Sekera trade
- Not trading multiple veteran players between 2016&2018.
- Not firing Sutter
- Hiring Stevens
- Hiring Willie D
There is a reason no one criticizes things like the original Richards trade or the Penner trade, because those things contributed to SC's. The GM made a good read on the team and added the right pieces. Unfortunately the Kings haven't really had GM's make good reads on the team since.
Do you acknowledge that DL wasn't responsible for Sekera blowing his knee three games after the trade? Or Voynov bloodying his wife at the beginning of the season? Or Mike Richards being a drug addict?
They missed the playoffs by a couple points. Voynov could have been that difference and then who knows. Sekera could have resolved that problem if he didn't get hurt.I never faulted DL for bringing in Mike Richards. It was the right move at the right time to put the team over the top. The fault on DL was not realizing that Mike Richards ceased being an NHL player sometime in the fall of 2013 and doing nothing about it, when he had every opportunity. That and the Gaborik extension just showed that DL was completely out of touch with what he had preached his previous years in LA.
The Voynov situation was bad luck, no doubt about it. But there were big issues that were going to prevent the team from competing again. They have won one playoff game since 2014, a second pairing defenseman wasn't going to change that.
Do you acknowledge that DL wasn't responsible for Sekera blowing his knee three games after the trade? Or Voynov bloodying his wife at the beginning of the season? Or Mike Richards being a drug addict?
I never faulted DL for bringing in Mike Richards. It was the right move at the right time to put the team over the top. The fault on DL was not realizing that Mike Richards ceased being an NHL player sometime in the fall of 2013 and doing nothing about it, when he had every opportunity. That and the Gaborik extension just showed that DL was completely out of touch with what he had preached his previous years in LA.
The Voynov situation was bad luck, no doubt about it. But there were big issues that were going to prevent the team from competing again. They have won one playoff game since 2014, a second pairing defenseman wasn't going to change that.
What would you have gotten for them? Who was going to take them? I don't know why we dwell on decisions made 3-5 years ago when the organization didn't even feel they needed a rebuild until this year.Why is it one or the other?
Lombardi's guile and skill led a steady plan from next to nothing to two Cups and three straight conference finals, but his hubris led to over-extensions, a complete wipe out of the asset list, and a lingering malaise that will likely continue for the next few seasons.
We can both celebrate and rue his performance. Just so happens that we are still right smack in the middle of the negative aspects of his decision making.
I think it is pretty amazing that he won two Cups with a core of Kopitar, Doughty, Quick and Brown. That particular group of misfits definitely have their talents, but they were a group who had plateaued and stagnated as a first round out.
It was to Lombardi's credit that he assessed the problems with the nature of those players early on in their careers and had both the insight and ability to go and get the right kind of team-first players who could surround that talent with real professionalism and charachter at great cost to the franchise. It took several years to amass enough real leadership to supplement the lack of it in the players they had drafted and developed. And he had to bring in a hard line coach to shake the sand out of their skates.
What really closed the window was losing all of the charachter and leadership of Richards, Williams, Stoll, Greene and Mitchell without gaining even a measly 7th rounder in return. Losing those players, and giving out too many extensions to the wrong players, combined with trading away every stinking asset left the team locked into a lousy roster who could never assimilate that leadership and the inability to afford it from the outside thru free agency or trade for it with nothing to offer.
Lombardi did that. And I think that his poor judgement was so widely known that it has kept him from returning to that position elsewhere.
Why are they are focused on Carter - he is the least of our worries.
These should be the Kings priorities...
Moving Kovy, figuring out what to do with Toffoli, trading Lewis, re-signing Clifford should be the priorities.
Figuring out what to do in goal with Quick and Campbell.
Finding a D partner for Doughty.
Carter looks to me like he might come out of it and he certainly isn’t hiding, so I think he may still have value by the TDL, right now I don’t see anyone wanting him. If he really would retire if he were traded though, it’s never going to happen. However, I cannot think of a single team that Martinez helps, certainly not one that pulls the trigger on a deal that nets us assets.I mostly agree. I think it would be a real win if we could get assets for Kovalchuk, Toffoli, and Campbell this season. No one wants Quick or Lewis. Martinez and Carter have value, so moving them shouldn’t be difficult. If we can end up with an extra first, second, and third this year, that would be great.
I never faulted DL for bringing in Mike Richards. It was the right move at the right time to put the team over the top. The fault on DL was not realizing that Mike Richards ceased being an NHL player sometime in the fall of 2013 and doing nothing about it, when he had every opportunity. That and the Gaborik extension just showed that DL was completely out of touch with what he had preached his previous years in LA.
The Voynov situation was bad luck, no doubt about it. But there were big issues that were going to prevent the team from competing again. They have won one playoff game since 2014, a second pairing defenseman wasn't going to change that.
Why are they are focused on Carter - he is the least of our worries.
These should be the Kings priorities...
Moving Kovy, figuring out what to do with Toffoli, trading Lewis, re-signing Clifford should be the priorities.
Figuring out what to do in goal with Quick and Campbell.
Finding a D partner for Doughty.
I don't think anyone has raised an objection to the original trades for Carter and Richards.Christ, are we really still talking about what we "lost" on the Mike Richards and Jeff Carter trades? Some of you guys really just can't let it go huh? TWO ****ING Stanley Cups. That's what we got from those trades. Were you dwelling over the depth that we lost while the whole team were lifting those two cups over their heads? You would rather keep your precious depth than those two cups? You guys are ridiculous sometimes.
Don't care. Two cups.Basically all the terrible moves the Kings started making happened after June 2014. The following things contributed nothing to winning the SC's, so why do we use that excuse.
- Not buying out Mike Richards
- Re-signing 32 year old Gabby for 6 years
- Re-signing Greene for 4 years
- The Lucic trade
- The Kopitar extension
- The Doughty extension
- The Sekera trade
- Not trading multiple veteran players between 2016&2018.
- Not firing Sutter
- Hiring Stevens
- Hiring Willie D
There is a reason no one criticizes things like the original Richards trade or the Penner trade, because those things contributed to SC's. The GM made a good read on the team and added the right pieces. Unfortunately the Kings haven't really had GM's make good reads on the team since.
Not af fan of writers who repeat the same debunked rumors.Carter came out and denied he was going to retire if traded.
@Ken C. Publicly stated yes ... but I do trust the info that was given to me. Also I don't think the retirement rumor came out of thin air. Plus the journalists who reported it are generally very careful.
Not af fan of writers who repeat the same debunked rumors.Carter came out and denied he was going to retire if traded.
It probably depends on where the Kings tried to trade Carter, and whether or not his plan is to retire in Southern California. He has a wife and child now and he may not be to keen on relocating his family.Why would he retire? Any location he's traded to is a better team than what he's leaving
If theres no proof, it's a accusation that has never been proven and is consider fake news.The player has since came out and debunked or disputed these cliams.Well, Carter denying doesn't necessarily mean it was "debunked." The author responded in the comments:
The article is missing the biggest reason why we are in this mess to begin with. Our drafting during the cup years was atrocious. From 2011-2016, 6 years of drafting our best draft pick that could of helped this team today is Cernak, and he was traded before he had a chance to prove himself. Pearson was good for a few years now gone. The rest Kempe,Wagner, Roy, Amadio are fillers. No impact player, not one, in 6 years of drafting. It seems we got caught up in the cup runs that we simply forgot to scout and draft talent.
So who are the transitioning players (24-27 year olds) on this team? We don't have any. Blake had to go the NCAA route to try to sign some.
The point is we are left with Vets who play the mentor roles while trying to produce. Production should of been eased into these transitional players and let the vets mentor and provide leadership to the new prospects.
Basically all the terrible moves the Kings started making happened after June 2014. The following things contributed nothing to winning the SC's, so why do we use that excuse.
- Not buying out Mike Richards
- Re-signing 32 year old Gabby for 6 years
- Re-signing Greene for 4 years
- The Lucic trade
- The Kopitar extension
- The Doughty extension
- The Sekera trade
- Not trading multiple veteran players between 2016&2018.
- Not firing Sutter
- Hiring Stevens
- Hiring Willie D
There is a reason no one criticizes things like the original Richards trade or the Penner trade, because those things contributed to SC's. The GM made a good read on the team and added the right pieces. Unfortunately the Kings haven't really had GM's make good reads on the team since.