Are the Canucks the Leafs of 16-17?

[blankall]

They have very little in common with the Leafs.

They are rebuilding team who made some very questionable draft picks, trades, and FA signings. They absolutely killed it with the Pettersson pick. If Hughes develops into a #1 dman, the team is well on its way.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Solid reading comprehension there, boys

I fail to see what I misread.

 

[Advanced stats]

Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat, Hughes aren’t far off of Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly

In general:

Horvat = Kadri
Pettersson = Matthews
Boeser = Nylander
And at this point, Hughes is unknown, but very unlikely to be a marner or rielly caliber.
You have no defense even close to Rielly currently.

 

[Bounces R Way]

They have more in common with the 2015-16 Vancouver Canucks.

 

[Love]

If we just didn’t have Gudbranson this entire season I truly think we would’ve made the playoffs.

As it stands we’ll miss. Especially with Edler and Tanev out it theoretically gives Gudbranson an even bigger role.

 

[innitfam]

It would be best if they settled to the bottom of the west/league while not being completely horrible. Fortunately this is easily done in this year's Western Conference.

Top 5 overall will help a lot more than 9th on the West.

 

[lebdafor norris]

God I hope not, when we are ready for the playoffs again I want our guys to actually have a thirst to compete and win an actual series. The prime time television coverage would be cool I guess but id actually prefer a playoff winning team than a media darling

The Nucks 3 young, core of forwards (Boeser, EP, and Horvat) are just as young on average compare to the Leafs' "big 3" yet here you are making it sound like the Leafs core are full of 30-something vets. Labeling the Leafs as playoff bust because the big 3 couldn't get the team past the 1st round during their rookie and sophmore years is a little too premature, still, they did at least carried a Leafs team that were dead last before they arrived to 2 playoffs appearance, meanwhile, even with Boeser and Horvat the Nucks were once again the "doormat" of the West last year and even this year they still have the look of a rebuilding team despite having Elias "way better than Matthews" Petterson on the team.

 

[BlueBaron]

Every team is unique. Canucks have the most important piece but they need a few more. Bright future though.

 

[M2Beezy]

The Nucks 3 young, core of forwards (Boeser, EP, and Horvat) are just as young on average compare to the Leafs' "big 3" yet here you are making it sound like the Leafs core are full of 30-something vets. Labeling the Leafs as playoff bust because the big 3 couldn't get the team past the 1st round during their rookie and sophmore years is a little too premature, still, they did at least carried a Leafs team that were dead last before they arrived to 2 playoffs appearance, meanwhile, even with Boeser and Horvat the Nucks were once again the "doormat" of the West last year and even this year they still have the look of a rebuilding team despite having Elias "way better than Matthews" Petterson on the team.

O i agree our team has some problems before we are any serious contender, theres no doubt about it, even the fact i type seems so obvious. We have three forward beauties and then after that a lotta hope. No team is built off of hope. Our d is a train wreck. Our goaltending situations LOOKS favourable but is really no guarantee. I get it.

Im just saying we shouldnt hold up the Leafs model as some sort of thing to look to to hope where we could be. Id look at successful teams like Pittsburgh or Washington or older success stories like LA and Chicago or even Boston

 

[Mez]

Wtf is this thread? In what dimension are the Leafs a dynasty?

 

[Jyrki Lumme]

The difference is the Canucks are fighting for a wild card spot in a tire fire conference. To be on pace for 80 points in February and one point out of a playoff spot is insanity. The Leafs were a solid team in 16-17, the Canucks are a bad team fortunate enough to be competing with over half a dozen other bad teams.

 

[WillTheThrill]

Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat, Hughes aren’t far off of Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly

Bahahahahahahahaha

 

[winnipegger]

Today I learned the Leafs are a dynasty.

 

[Ace of Hades]

In general:

Horvat = Kadri
Pettersson = Matthews
Boeser = Nylander
And at this point, Hughes is unknown, but very unlikely to be a marner or rielly caliber.
You have no defense even close to Rielly currently.

Boeser>Nylander.

Boeser is more like Marner's comparable.

 

[Pyrophorus]

Today I learned the Leafs are a dynasty.

Don't further the Western falsehood

 

[Pyrophorus]

Boeser>Nylander.

Boeser is more like Marner's comparable.

I'll agree but it is <Marner

 

[Ace of Hades]

I'll agree but it is <Marner

Yep so far.

 

[drewjenks]

Fighting for a wild card spot one year removed from the basement of NHL led by a new face of their franchise.

Do you see the Canucks following in the footsteps of the Leafs' Shannyplan and becoming a dynasty for years to come?

FIRST: The Leafs aren't a dynasty yet & likely won't become one (from a Leafs fan).

SECOND: The Leafs had 312 points by rookies that year. They were on pace for 341 points (if all the rookies played 82 games). Vancouver is on pace for 132 points (if all their rookies play 82 games - which they can't anymore). One of these things is not like the other:

THIRD: Vancouver isn't as good as the Leafs were.

• 2016-17 Leafs = 95 points
• 2018-19 Nucks = 81 point (pace - in a weaker division).

• 2016-17 Leafs = 250 goals
• 2018-19 Nucks = 228 goal (pace)

• 2016-17 Leafs = Plus 16 goal differential
• 2018-19 Nucks = Minus 25 goal differential (pace)

FOURTH: The Leaf & Canucks core players are basically the exact same age:

• Matthews = 2016 draft
• Marner = 2015 draft
• Nylander = 2014 draft
• Kapanen = 2014 draft
• Rielly = 2012 draft
• Liljegren = 2017 draft
• Sandin = 2018 draft

• Pettersson = 2017 draft
• Boeser = 2015 draft
• Horvat = 2013 draft
• Virtanen = 2014 draft
• Goldobin? = 2014 draft
• Stecher? = 2012 draft
• Hughes = 2018 draft

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Matthews=Pettersson
Marner>=Boeser
Kadri=Horvat
Nylander>Virtanen
Reilly>Hughes

There are similarities but that’s not good from a Canucks POV, you want to be similar to cup winning teams (young Pens, Kings, Hawks etc) not a team that hasn’t been passed the first round with their “amazing core”.

 

[bukwas]

Wtf is this thread? In what dimension are the Leafs a dynasty?

The main point of the thread(aka title and question in O.P) is asking if the Canucks rebuild is on a similar path as the Leafs rebuild was in 2016-17.

 

[blankall]

In general:

Horvat = Kadri
Pettersson = Matthews
Boeser = Nylander
And at this point, Hughes is unknown, but very unlikely to be a marner or rielly caliber.
You have no defense even close to Rielly currently.

I'd say Pettersson is more like Marner. The Canucks are missing Tavares and Matthews. I agree though the biggest uncertainty is Hughes.

 

[BostonBob]

Wtf is this thread? In what dimension are the Leafs a dynasty?

The main point of the thread(aka title and question in O.P) is asking if the Canucks rebuild is on a similar path as the Leafs rebuild was in 2016-17.

Everybody knows that's what the OP meant but all of us non-Leaf fans are simply having some fun with this part of his post:

Do you see the Canucks following in the footsteps of the Leafs' Shannyplan and becoming a dynasty for years to come?

 

[Pyrophorus]

Everybody knows that's what the OP meant but all of us non-Leaf fans are simply having some fun with this part of his post:

KE19 isn't a Leafs fan, nor has any Leaf fan stated that they are one.

 

[bukwas]

Everybody knows that's what the OP meant but all of us non-Leaf fans are simply having some fun with this part of his post:

And i thought a sarcasm smiley wouldn't be necessary. My bad.

 

[Mitchy]

Trying to paint a team that was led by mainly rookies to the playoffs in 16-17 and then by those same rookies (when they became sophomores) in 17-18, to another playoffs appearance, as some type of failure, is so peak HF.