anyone "good" going back in the draft...

kdb209

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thelen is too old to be drafted, he'll be a ufa if not signed.

Overage junior players no longer become UFAs under the new CBA - they go back into the draft.

Copying from one of the Thelen threads.
kdb209 said:
This is not an issue anymore.

Things were changed in the new CBA.

Under the Old CBA, an overage player would not go back into the draft, but would become a UFA instead:

Old CBA Article 8.4 said:
8.4. Eligibility for Claim.

(a) All players age 19 or older are eligible for claim in the Entry Draft, except:

(i) a player on the Reserve List of a Club, other than as a Try-Out;

(ii) a player who has been claimed in two prior Entry Drafts;

(iii) a player who previously played in the League and became a free agent pursuant to
this Agreement;

(iv) a player age 21 or older who played hockey for at least one season in North
America when he was age 18, 19 or 20.

Under the New CBA, that overage junior (who has been previously drafted) does go back in the draft:

New CBA Article 8.4 said:
8.4 Eligibility for Claim.

(a) All Players age 18 or older are eligible for claim in the Entry Draft,
except:

(i) a Player on the Reserve List of a Club, other than as a try-out;

(ii) a Player who has been claimed in two prior Entry Drafts;

(iii) a Player who previously played in the League and became a Free
Agent pursuant to this Agreement;

(iv) a Player age 21 or older who: (A) has not been selected in a
previous Entry Draft
and (B) played hockey for at least one season
in North America when he was age 18, 19, or 20 and shall be
eligible to enter the League as an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant
to Article 10.1(d); and

(v) a Player age 22 or older who has not been selected in a previous
Entry Draft and shall be eligible to enter the League as an
Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to Article 10.1(d).

Wettie has pointed out the alleged ambiguity in Exhibit 16(i) that Barry is trying to use to argue that Thelen should be a UFA - my guess is that Barry will lose and Thelen will go back into the draft.

For more gory detials about this situation under the Old CBA, under the New CBA, and under the transition rules of Exhibit 16, here's a post I made in another Thelen thread:

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=9420108&postcount=14
 

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TSN said that thelen becomes a ufa, so until stated otherwise by a credible source i'll use them as a source over random posters on a message board :handclap:
 

kdb209

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Hypothetically speaking....what if Thelen goes undrafted? Is he (and players in the same situation) a UFA come July 1st?

If Thelen does go back in the draft and is not selected, then he would become a UFA:

New CBA Article 8.9 said:
8.9 Eligibility for Play in the League. No Player shall be eligible for play in the
League unless he:

(a) had been claimed in the last Entry Draft, or was ineligible for claim under
Section 8.4; or

(b) had been eligible for claim in the last Entry Draft, but was unclaimed, and:


(i) had played hockey in North America the prior season and was age
20 or older at the time of the last Entry Draft, and signed an SPC
which was signed and registered with the League between the
conclusion of the Entry Draft and commencement of the next NHL
Season.


(ii) had played hockey in North America the prior season and was
under age 20 at the time of the last Entry Draft, and signed an SPC
which was signed and registered with the League between the
conclusion of the Entry Draft and commencement of the Major
Juniors season (except that if such Player had signed an NHL tryout
form, which was signed and registered with the League during
the aforesaid time period, then the deadline for signing and
registering with the League an SPC with such try-out Club shall be
the commencement of the NHL Season).

(iii) had played hockey outside of North America in the prior season
and was age 22 or older at the time of the last Entry Draft and
signed an SPC which was signed and registered with the League
between the conclusion of the Entry Draft and the commencement
of the next NHL Season.

(iv) The words "eligible for claim in the last Entry Draft" in
subparagraph (b) above mean "eligible for claim in all rounds of
the last Entry Draft." The words "the prior season" in subparagraph
(i), (ii) and (iii) above mean "a full season prior to the last Entry
Draft."​
 

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