Prospect Info: Anybody know much about this Noel Hoefenmayer signing by us!?

[Bluelines]

They aren't at all.

John Chayka is the general manager of the Arizona Coyotes. Prior to joining the Coyotes, Chayka was part of an analytics company called "Stathletes".

Chayka was hired specifically for his "Wunder kid" abilities with advance stats.

 

[Bluelines]

72 points and 20 goals say good shot. Hard shot no. Good accurate shot yes. Morgs never uses a slapper very-much and its not because he’s using it as a ace up his sleeve
He should practice it and improve it regardless. He said himself he doesn’t like the slapper because he’s not accurate with it.

I'd rather have an accurate shot than a hard shot that can't hit the net (Dion). Wendel rarely used his slapshot to any effectiveness but his wrister was lethal.

 

[Dekes For Days]

John Chayka is the general manager of the Arizona Coyotes. Prior to joining the Coyotes, Chayka was part of an analytics company called "Stathletes". Chayka was hired specifically for his "Wunder kid" abilities with advance stats.

John Chayka is the general manager of the Arizona Coyotes. He is one of the worst GMs in the league when evaluating based on analytics and advanced stats.

 

[Stephen]

John Chayka is the general manager of the Arizona Coyotes. He is one of the worst GMs in the league when evaluating based on analytics and advanced stats.

You can be heavily into analytics and also be an extremely poor general manager at the same time.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You can be heavily into analytics and also be an extremely poor general manager at the same time.

But like literally none of his moves make any sense from an analytical perspective.

 

[Bluelines]

John Chayka is the general manager of the Arizona Coyotes. He is one of the worst GMs in the league when evaluating based on analytics and advanced stats.

His ability to use data does not make my point that the 'Yotes are advance stats darlings any less valid. You can have the best data in the world and if you interpret it wrong, it's not the data's fault.

Not sure I agree with you on him being the worst, he has some gems that a lot of teams would pass on, like Connor Garland for example.

So again the owner saw an opportunity to Billy Bean his team, hired a guy who had a great reputation as an acvance stats guru..

 

[Dekes For Days]

His ability to use data does not make my point that the 'Yotes are advance stats darlings any less valid.

Your statement is based on nothing but assumptions, and is countered by the realities of the moves he makes.

You can have the best data in the world and if you interpret it wrong, it's not the data's fault.

If you interpret data badly, you're not an advanced stat "wunder kid", as you put it.

 

[Bluelines]

Your statement is based on nothing but assumptions, and is countered by the realities of the moves he makes.

If you interpret data badly, you're not an advanced stat "wunder kid", as you put it.

That would be your opinion though.

I think he has done an OK job , with a budget team and few resources

 

[Dekes For Days]

That would be your opinion though.

Except it's supported by the data. His moves don't make analytical sense. His moves don't turn out well analytically. His team is not good analytically. There is really nothing that suggests he is or operates like some advanced stat "wunder kid".

with a budget team and few resources

Arizona is over the cap this year.

 

[Bluelines]

Except it's supported by the data. His moves don't make analytical sense. His moves don't turn out well analytically. His team is not good analytically. There is really nothing that suggests he is or operates like some advanced stat "wunder kid".

Arizona is over the cap this year.

Budget in terms of off ice support, scouts, managers, trainers, etc.

So it seems you are unable to understand my original post, you can have data but use it incorrectly. You can WANT to be an analytics driven team but not be that team. You like to refer to "all the data" yet you have not provided any of "all the data" to support your opinion.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You can WANT to be an analytics driven team but not be that team.

You don't know what Arizona wants to be, or how they are operating. You made a statement making assumptions about the player being analytically bad, because of your personal assumption about Arizona only caring about analytics, even though that's countered by pretty much everything they have done under this GM.

 

[stickty111]

Like I said in the Marlies thread, if he can improve in 2 areas, there could be some sad teams wondering we should have got him.

 

[Bluelines]

You don't know what Arizona wants to be, or how they are operating. You made a statement making assumptions about the player being analytically bad, because of your personal assumption about Arizona only caring about analytics, even though that's countered by pretty much everything they have done under this GM.

I do because at the time the current GM was hired the owner was quoted on HNIC as to why he hired teh youngest GM in NHL history.

You seem to be pretty invested in the 'Yotes or invested in a pissing contest, both I have zero interest in. Cheers.. and work on them reading skills , 'k?

 

[Anthrax442]

 

[Dekes For Days]

I do because at the time the current GM was hired the owner was quoted on HNIC as to why he hired teh youngest GM in NHL history

"Drummond, who mentioned Chayka’s vision, communication skills and ability to translate data off video into player evaluations as key reasons for the hire."
Pretty usual comments. Nothing about being an analytic-consumed "wunder kid".
You've done a lot of making vague claims; not a lot of actually backing it up.

 

[Menzinger]

"Drummond, who mentioned Chayka’s vision, communication skills and ability to translate data off video into player evaluations as key reasons for the hire."
Pretty usual comments. Nothing about being an analytic-consumed "wunder kid".
You've done a lot of making vague claims; not a lot of actually backing it up.

Chaykas only connection to analytical world was that he worked for a bit for this consulting firm that used private numbers. What he even did there was a bit of a mystery.

I always thought it was strange how henm gets painted as this analytical disciple

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I think he is going to add the chl defenseman of the year to the trophy case.

 

[Prominence]

Chaykas only connection to analytical world was that he worked for a bit for this consulting firm that used private numbers. What he even did there was a bit of a mystery.

I always thought it was strange how henm gets painted as this analytical disciple

Especially since he traded for kessel, galchenyuk- guys who aren't known as analytics darlings. He got lucky with demers and hjalmarsson. I think jim benning makes better moves based on advanced metrics than chayka.

 

[Bluelines]

"Drummond, who mentioned Chayka’s vision, communication skills and ability to translate data off video into player evaluations as key reasons for the hire."
Pretty usual comments. Nothing about being an analytic-consumed "wunder kid".
You've done a lot of making vague claims; not a lot of actually backing it up.

John Chayka's story sounds more like something out of Silicon Valley than St. Catharines, Ont.

Like tech wunderkind Mark Zuckerberg, Chayka's ascent hatched with a clever idea at a young age that blossomed into a successful business.

He was just 19 or so, working at a hockey school and hoping to help students with numbers that could better inform their performance. He watched video of their games, logged the numbers by hand and passed on what he found.

Lane, a friend with a business, science and math background, transformed the process into something more efficient. The combination of their talents became Stathletes, an analytics company which aimed to make numbers more accessible for everyday hockey types.

As players absorbed the data Chayka presented, numbers that demonstrated what they were and weren't doing on the ice, the young co-founders felt they were onto something.

Nope sure does not sound like a young person with an unique idea in the advances stats field that eventually becomes a successful company, aka Wunderkind.. Why would anyone get that impression?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Love the optimism, but how many times have we said this before?

yea well. that's the fun of developing prospects. just be happy our system has been more successful as of late than in the past.
I hope we continue to bring up young talent, going to need it now more than ever. Zero wiggle room especially if the cap drops

 

[Dekes For Days]

John Chayka's story sounds more like something out of Silicon Valley than St. Catharines, Ont.
Like tech wunderkind Mark Zuckerberg, Chayka's ascent hatched with a clever idea at a young age that blossomed into a successful business.
He was just 19 or so, working at a hockey school and hoping to help students with numbers that could better inform their performance. He watched video of their games, logged the numbers by hand and passed on what he found.
Lane, a friend with a business, science and math background, transformed the process into something more efficient. The combination of their talents became Stathletes, an analytics company which aimed to make numbers more accessible for everyday hockey types.
As players absorbed the data Chayka presented, numbers that demonstrated what they were and weren't doing on the ice, the young co-founders felt they were onto something.

That is an article discussing his previous employment. That is not the owner of the Arizona Coyotes, on HNIC, saying that they hired a "stat wunder kid" to run their operations based on analytics, as you claimed.

 

[Menzinger]

John Chayka's story sounds more like something out of Silicon Valley than St. Catharines, Ont.

Like tech wunderkind Mark Zuckerberg, Chayka's ascent hatched with a clever idea at a young age that blossomed into a successful business.

He was just 19 or so, working at a hockey school and hoping to help students with numbers that could better inform their performance. He watched video of their games, logged the numbers by hand and passed on what he found.

Lane, a friend with a business, science and math background, transformed the process into something more efficient. The combination of their talents became Stathletes, an analytics company which aimed to make numbers more accessible for everyday hockey types.

As players absorbed the data Chayka presented, numbers that demonstrated what they were and weren't doing on the ice, the young co-founders felt they were onto something.

Nope sure does not sound like a young person with an unique idea in the advances stats field that eventually becomes a successful company, aka Wunderkind.. Why would anyone get that impression?

What he specifically did at the firm isnt clear - and nobdy in the public analytics field has any idea what sorts of numbers Stathletes value, or anything more about the specifics trends in that company: they kept everything private because they were trying to sell their services.

 

[7even]

A lot of great conversation about Marlies prospect Noel Hoefenmayer in this thread

 

[Bluelines]

That is an article discussing his previous employment. That is not the owner of the Arizona Coyotes, on HNIC, saying that they hired a "stat wunder kid" to run their operations based on analytics, as you claimed.

You really struggle with comprehension of the written word don't you? I never said that the Owner said he was a wunderkind.

It seems what was posted and what you think were posted are 2 separate things. You think you read something so you debate that point. If you wish to debate your own misunderstanding, fill 'yer boots.

 

[deletethis]

Regarding this prospect, he's obviously behind the curve as a skater. He probably needs to de-construct his entire skating package back to first principles. It can be done but it's incredibly irritating. Here's a crazy thought about these types of skating projects: don't play them in hockey games (or very few games) until they've had months of repetition on the practise ice. It's way too easy to revert to old habits in the heat of a game. Remember that the old habits worked for the player at the previous level.