Any sites that have Assists consolidated by Primary and Secondary?

[Filthy Dangles]

I'm doing manual labor on Hockey-Reference.com's scoring game logs by individual player seasons to get assists split by 1st and 2nd. I was wondering if there's an easier way and maybe a certain website has Player seasons and careers already consolidated by 1st and 2nd assists.

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[silverfish]

I'm doing manual labor on Hockey-Reference.com's scoring game logs by individual player seasons to get assists split by 1st and 2nd. I was wondering if there's an easier way and maybe a certain website has Player seasons and careers already consolidated by 1st and 2nd assists.

Corsica.Hockey has this.

 

[stahl]

nhl.com has this

 

[Bear of Bad News]

nhl.com has this

Where?

 

[Michael Farkas]

NHL.com has these splits very, very obviously towards the bottom half of their drop down and call it "Points/Penalties per 60" - it's definitely where everyone would intuitively look for primary assists and shot distances...hopefully this link works: NHL.com - Stats

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Thanks! Looks like it goes back a few years at least.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

NHL.com goes back to 2009-2010 but their site and stats pages are cancer
Corsica goes back to 2007-2008 but you have to change a buncha things as it defaults to 5v5 only and to a players on ice page.

annoying but not much other options. hockey-ref should update their site to include it

 

[Hockey Outsider]

NHL.com goes back to 2009-2010 but their site and stats pages are cancer
Corsica goes back to 2007-2008 but you have to change a buncha things as it defaults to 5v5 only and to a players on ice page.

annoying but not much other options. hockey-ref should update their site to include it

I've been planning on doing some analysis of primary vs secondary assists for great players and/or great seasons but I keep putting it off because it would be such a manual process (looking at years prior to 2008). It's still a long-term project of mine, but there's no easy way to go about it unfortunately.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

I've been planning on doing some analysis of primary vs secondary assists for great players and/or great seasons but I keep putting it off because it would be such a manual process (looking at years prior to 2008). It's still a long-term project of mine, but there's no easy way to go about it unfortunately.

Hockey-Reference has them going back to the 87-88 season in the "Scoring Logs" section of player pages. I assume that's when Assists were first recorded as either primary/secondary.

But I recall them IP banning you if you try to scrape their site.

 

[The Panther]

Hockey-Reference has them going back to the 87-88 season in the "Scoring Logs" section of player pages. I assume that's when Assists were first recorded as either primary/secondary.

But I recall them IP banning you if you try to scrape their site.

Uh, no, primary and secondary assists go back to the 1930s or something. Unfortunately, Hockey-Ref only has detailed game-stats going back to 1987-88. Well, they used to be detailed but now nhl.com has them, so Hockey-Ref had to drop them.

 

[boredmale]

I hate how people say secondary assists are useless(which I assume is the main point of this thread)

Maybe this is an extreme example but how can you not say Barzal was the most important part of this play(basically opening the ice for both Leddy to make the pass to Eberle)



If one was going to properly give credit on this play Ladd deserves some for blocking the goalies POV, but their is no stat that shows us that

 

[Fantomas]

I hate how people say secondary assists are useless(which I assume is the main point of this thread)

Maybe this is an extreme example but how can you not say Barzal was the most important part of this play

I am just baffled by posts like these. I see a variation of this come up again and again here.

Why is it so difficult for some people to grasp that the discussion of the statistical valuation of secondary assists assesses their value on average. It doesn't matter that you can find a play in which the second pass is very impressive.

Of course you can. You can find all kinds of instances for everything.