Another Lockout

[SupremeTeam16]

With the opt out deadlines a month away what do you guys think will happen?

I think the players will most definitely opt out and that it’s extremely likely we will see another lockout. The players feel like the last go around they conceded more and are likely to hold more firm in this negotiation.

Big hurdles this time around:
- escrow is the big one.
- HHR splits
- Expansion money
- Olympic participation
- Contract lengths/Structure

So what do you guys think, will the two sides be able to come together before a work stoppage or will we see digging in from both the players and the owners. The good news is they have over a year to sort it out, hopefully they will.

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[justafan22]

I'll predict no opt outs, but no extension either.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

Big ones from the players side is going to be escrow and Olympics. And from owners it’s going to be further contract control such as a maximum salary increase coming off of an ELC.

 

[txpd]

No lockout. I think sports leagues and players are aware that the competition for market share is just too strong now days.

 

[justafan22]

Big ones from the players side is going to be escrow and Olympics. And from owners it’s going to be further contract control such as a maximum salary increase coming off of an ELC.

For the owners, I don't think they're willing to risk losing the expansion fee cut from Seattle + the revenue they'll bring in during 2021.

They can still hammer out a new deal before next september if they opt out, but why have the insecurity?

Makes sense for them to get their issues in hand in 2022 when they have the money.

If it happens, it'll be because the players opted out.

 

[Suntouchable13]

They can go f*** themselves with another lockout.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Big hurdles this time around:

- escrow is the big one. Maybe but they don't have to use the escalator and it ensures an even 50/50 split of profit.

- HHR splits Might get solved at the same time as escrow. Maybe they keep escrow but include all HRR in the 50/50

- Expansion money Kind of the same thing as HHR, but the players get 23 new jobs out of expansion, and the cap goes up so more money for them. Doubt we see anything as expansion is already beneficial to both sides.

- Olympic participation Players will win this one, I suspect it is used to keep escrow

- Contract lengths/Structure Meh. League shortened the contracts and players have since shortened it further. Players will like shorter deals. Only way this is an issue is a separate cap for RFA deals.

All in all, there is nothing here worth losing a season and money for both sides over like the other times.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

For the owners, I don't think they're willing to risk losing the expansion fee cut from Seattle + the revenue they'll bring in during 2021.

They can still hammer out a new deal before next september if they opt out, but why have the insecurity?

Makes sense for them to get their issues in hand in 2022 when they have the money.

If it happens, it'll be because the players opted out.

It’s just my thoughts, who knows how it’ll play out. But I think in this bargaining agreement it’s going to be one huge poker chip from the owners in trying to curb these massive off of ELC contracts with a willingness to take a handful of small chips from the players.

 

[Stuzchuk]

I'll predict no opt outs, but no extension either.

I agree with that...
I know the owners wanted the NMC out last one and it's still in place, plus Bettman or Daly (can't remember which one) have mentioned about "having to limit the bonuses... So yep, no opt-out but no extension either in 2021

 

[LuckyDay]

No one will have any motivation for this and this union is not saddled between a crook and an idiot who won't concede defeat even when he's clearly working with no hand to play.

Collective ownership however, could use this as impetus to force Beckman's on the expansion draft after Seattle. No one wants another LVK. The long term success of a new team does nothing for individual team success. They never want that happening again.

Second, ownership is not liking these cap penalties and they'll want them gone. I can see the ownership demanding the reduction from 7 years to 5. The union would fight this so I could see some sort of grandfather clause where this wouldn't apply to current contracts. There could even be a dispute over NMC's but that will go nowhere.

 

[Master P]

I hope not

 

[justafan22]

No one will have any motivation for this and this union is not saddled between a crook and an idiot who won't concede defeat even when he's clearly working with no hand to play.

Collective ownership however, could use this as impetus to force Beckman's on the expansion draft after Seattle. No one wants another LVK. The long term success of a new team does nothing for individual team success. They never want that happening again.

Second, ownership is not liking these cap penalties and they'll want them gone. I can see the ownership demanding the reduction from 7 years to 5. The union would fight this so I could see some sort of grandfather clause where this wouldn't apply to current contracts. There could even be a dispute over NMC's but that will go nowhere.

The lockout will be for years if there's a 5 year max limit on new contracts.

 

[JoVel]

They can go **** themselves with another lockout.

How do you f*** yourself with a lockout? Doesn't sound very pleasant to me.

 

[Suntouchable13]

How do you **** yourself with a lockout? Doesn't sound very pleasant to me.

I don't know, man. I am just tired of fans being treated like this. A 3rd lockout in less than a 20 year span? f*** that. No league has done that.

 

[cgf]

No lockout. I think sports leagues and players are aware that the competition for market share is just too strong now days.

I laughed.

 

[easton117]

Not sure the players can harp on escrow payments.

Get rid of the escalator option if it’s too tempting to use when it’s clear maybe it should t be no?

 

[Platano King]

Is there a way to solve CBA disputes without another f***ing lockout? Literally everyone else figures their shit out without cancelling half a season (or the entire god damn season) every ten years.

Meanwhile the NHL sits there and eats glue.

 

[deckercky]

I think salary structure will be a big one - limits to signing bonuses, changing how much salary can be front loaded, etc..

Calculation and effect of buyouts could be an issue (buyout proof contracts are making it tough for teams to free up space to sign free agents, meaning it's bad for everyone except the player with the buyout proof contract).

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Strike - no hockey - Fans are missing out.

Strike averted - increased contracts - increased ticket prices - fans are missing out.

Guess who really loses, but has no voice in it ?

 

[Thedogo]

As wired as this sounds I actually hope there is another lockout, because if it means Bettman finally gets fired I'm all for it.

 

[Name Nameless]

First thing first: I am under the impression it will be from July first, 2020.

Is this right?

Second thing, will there be a lockout? Well, as the players union consistently has been overplaying their hand, they will most likely keeping on doing that... and a lockout will be there.

 

[Iggys Dome]

Bold prediction: We don’t see another lockout till at least 2030.

 

[tntkid]

Matthews and Mark Stone contracts are the reason why there will be a lock out.

I could care less if we have a lock out.

 

[Deadpool8812]

As wired as this sounds I actually hope there is another lockout, because if it means Bettman finally gets fired I'm all for it.

If there's a lockout, that's the owners call... Not Bettman

 

[Thedogo]

If there's a lockout, that's the owners call... Not Bettman

I know but four lockouts with being commissioner he might end up having to take the blame.