Another expansion/relocation article with a twist

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  1. mikelvl

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    http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Expansion+tricky+question/8975879/story.html

    Sorry if this isn't the place or it belongs in another thread, please move if so. But the following quote caused my jaw to drop a little.

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    Of course, the author provides no further information as to who is saying Anaheim could move. I find this to be pretty ridiculous and pretty irresponsible to throw something like this out there.

    He goes onto touch on Winnipeg, Quebec City, GTA etc. but that quote blew my mind.
     
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    Looks to be baseless speculation from a writer trying to fill space before the seasons starts.

    There have been no indications that the Samuellis are interested in selling the Ducks, let alone the team relocating.
     
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    Even the looniest of relocation nuts on these boards don't bring up the Ducks as a relocation candidate, so that doesn't say much about the credibility of the author and whatever source he may have, even if just hot air.
     
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    Yeah, I found that pretty crazy as well. I also hated his ending/conclusion. He starts off about how good Canada is (in general), how a GTA franchise is a no brainer, how good Winnipeg is, and how Quebec is similar (but notes there's questions about their long term sustainability).

    Then provides this quote from an unnamed NHL source.

    Great markets, maybe not. However I think there's easily 30 good ones. I also think there's 23 (or more) good US markets.

    I also dislike how people will use unnamed sources who then generalize things. Overall Quebec isn't an ideal market (when you look at what a typical market requires). However the Canadian passion makes up for a lot of that (as we see with Winnipeg).
     
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    Anaheim's won a cup. Bettman has fought tooth-and-nail to keep teams that have won cups in the markets they won in. Look at NJ back in 1995 when Nashville was knocking, Edmonton during the days of the weak Canadian Dollar, Bettman doesn't move winners.
     
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    Hence the need for copious amounts of Advil. :sarcasm:
     
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    Should point out, the article says people pay $1,000 a year to stay on the Winnipeg Jets wait list. That's clearly incorrect. It's $100 a year.
     
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    The league doesn't fight tooth-and-nail to keep winners.

    They fight tooth and nail to keep teams where the local municipality has built an area specifically for the hockey team.

    Now I think that is what happened in Anaheim. But that was now 20 years ago. Is the arena nearly paid off by now?

    We certainly haven't heard anything about Anaheim moving before. But doesn't mean it's impossible. Ed Willis is a well respected hockey writer.
     
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    Samueli seems committed to the team, plus he doesn't have another anchor tenant. His bid to help the Sac Kings move there (The Pond) was squished by the NBA.
     
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    Considering they are in the middle of a $20M renovation and the owners own the arena mgmt company it won't happen. And that the ownwea have stated they want an NBA team as well, part of the reason for the renovations.
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    There are a lot of proposals people make that I'd say are crazy or make zero business sense, but eliminating the all star game isn't one of them.
     
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    Ed Willes is notorious for his unfounded hypothesizing & just generally lazy journalism. To call The Province the NY Post of Vancouver is to actually compliment it... just move along. Nothin to see here folks. Just Willes running his mouth again. All the news unfit to print. Merely an attention seeker with a soap box.
     
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    The only reason I "might" give credence to this... remember when the Maloofs wanted to move the Sacramento Kings to Anaheim? Point is, it seems Anaheim courted them.

    Nothing has happened with potentially wayward NBA teams (other than the Kings) since, but I've always wondered if the Clippers would remain at Staples given the proper offer. Donald Sterling can't live forever.

    So the theory would be that there are local interests who don't seen the Ducks as a long-term tenant. Thing is, I think they'd have to get an NBA team first, and I'm not sure they CAN get one.
     
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    Not really, PCS. They would prefer to have zero anchor tenants because they cannot get a second [NBA] tenant?
     
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    I think Seattle will get one before California gets a 5th NBA team
     
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    Another point which makes this guy's article ridiculous is the current realignment. The NHL needs another team in the West to even things out more. They'd want to expand/not relocate to Seattle in order to make it 16 East and 15 West. Such an irresponsible article IMO.

    Then on a different tangent, if they really wanted to even things out, do the consider Vegas/Portland/KC and pass over Quebec and GTA? I for one hope that doesn't happen.
     
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    Portland wins hands down. Vegas has no approved arena plan that's currently under construction KC doesn't even have a owner nor the public support for a team.
     
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    I could definitely see Anaheim moving. It's not a popular franchise and the market definitely isn't good enough for two NHL teams.
     
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    The arena was under construction before the Ducks were awarded. Anaheim basically did what Markham is talking about doing. In both cases suburban communities were hoping to capitalize on sprawl and build city centers based on event venues.
     
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    Possibly at the same time.

    I think the NBA would be prudent to expand into Seattle and San Diego within the next decade or so. Two large markets without NBA teams.
     
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    Yes, the arena was already being built before Disney was awarded the new franchise. The city was actually negotiation with Norm Green to relocate the North Stars to Anaheim before Disney got the new franchise.

    The city still owns the Honda Center and Henry Samueli's management company manages it. Samueli was trying to get an NBA team to increase the arena revenues, not to replace the Ducks. But I don't think it would be smart of the NBA to have three teams in the metro LA area.

    I highly doubt Samueli would willingly move the Ducks to Seattle and leave the Honda Center without a permanent tenant.
     
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    And we're back to this...

    If anyone needs candidates, you need to take a look at the leasing information. Yes, I understand that the Coyotes were just sold and have an out in five years, and I understand that the Coyotes were able to break their lease through bankruptcy, but bankruptcy proceedings haven't occurred since, even with all of the other ownership changes and bankruptcies.

    Anaheim's lease doesn't expire until 2023.

    Phoenix has five more years.

    St. Louis I believe is until 2021, and should be under a non-relo pact with the League until then. Same with the Devils and Panthers and Stars...

    And then you see that a relo isn't going to be easy, as all the teams that recently changed hands should be under the non-relo pact with the League.
     
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