Player Discussion Andrew Shaw II - Playoff Edition

[CristianoRonaldo]

I hope he becomes GM of a team in our division and ruins them. Detroit looks good. He played for them in 95-96.

Not even that, I hate him so much I don't want to see him as a GM ever again.

 

[groovejuice]

Not even that, I hate him so much I don't want to see him as a GM ever again.

Like Therrien as coach, Bergevin will never get another opportunity at GM. The old boys network might
find him a lesser assistant position, but I suspect it would be a minor one.

 

[Price is Wright]

Like Therrien as coach, Bergevin will never get another opportunity at GM. The old boys network might
find him a lesser assistant position, but I suspect it would be a minor one.

It's likely he works as an assistant GM again after Montreal but I wouldn't rule out him being a GM elsewhere. GMs with worse history have got GM jobs again. Let's recall he's a very good interview.

 

[groovejuice]

It's likely he works as an assistant GM again after Montreal but I wouldn't rule out him being a GM elsewhere. GMs with worse history have got GM jobs again. Let's recall he's a very good interview.

I'm not certain Bergevin is ingratiating himself with other GMs. That short vid with him being shunned by Treliving is likely more than a singular perception IMO.

 

[Price is Wright]

I'm not certain Bergevin is ingratiating himself with other GMs. That short vid with him being shunned by Treliving is likely more than a singular perception IMO.

Sure, but there are 30 other teams and a lot of stupid to go around.

 

[hockeyfan2k18]

It's likely he works as an assistant GM again after Montreal but I wouldn't rule out him being a GM elsewhere. GMs with worse history have got GM jobs again. Let's recall he's a very good interview.

All about being at the right place at the right time. Could be an asisstant....GM gets fired and they use him as interim GM, he pulls off a fluke deal and then they retain him as their long term GM.

 

[Price is Wright]

All about being at the right place at the right time. Could be an asisstant....GM gets fired and they use him as interim GM, he pulls off a fluke deal and then they retain him as their long term GM.

I can also envision a scenario where Arizona fires Chayka, feels like they need to go the opposite direction, and hires Marc Bergevin to be that opposite direction with Sean Burke as assistant GM. Or vice versa.

 

[Wats]

The worst thing about him is he's the dirtiest player to wear the Habs jersey in recent years. Bad in so many ways.

 

[Beer and Chips]

Hope he recovers quickly and I can't hate him personally if some idiot offered him a juicy contract.

 

[groovejuice]

Sure, but there are 30 other teams and a lot of stupid to go around.

Sure. But there's a difference between stupid and pariah. Ask yourself what Bergevin might have done to invite the invisible treatment he received from Treliving.

 

[Price is Wright]

Sure. But there's a difference between stupid and pariah. Ask yourself what Bergevin might have done to invite the invisible treatment he received from Treliving.

That's one GM. He's quite chummy with Dale Tallon that I know of. As a former NHL player he's likely got friends on other teams that would vouch for him. It's not just a retirement home in Montreal. St. Louis is former player city as well.

 

[groovejuice]

That's one GM. He's quite chummy with Dale Tallon that I know of. As a former NHL player he's likely got friends on other teams that would vouch for him. It's not just a retirement home in Montreal. St. Louis is former player city as well.

Could be. I'm definitely reading more into it than you are. Time will tell I imagine.

 

[ArtPeur]

No Weber, No Byron and No Shaw to start next season will force Bergevin to sign a dmen and definitely throw crazy money at Stastny or Bozak.

Weber should be back, he's out for 4 months so he might not train hard this summer but he's going to be available in September for the training camp

 

[Price is Wright]

Could be. I'm definitely reading more into it than you are. Time will tell I imagine.

I find we sometimes live too much in a bubble and forget that there's some really, really dumb general managers all over the league, and GMs that are more like Gainey where they are relatively good at their jobs but still make very stupid decisions. The league also will usually have preference to people with experience over new GMs, though lately it's been an assistant GM hiring spree in the league. Still, George McPhee traded Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat and got the Vegas job. You can do a lot of bad before you're considered unhireable.

 

[OldCraig71]

Leafs defense is almost as bad as ours. Almost.

Jake Gardiner reminds me of Jordie Benn when he has the puck on his stick.

 

[Halakitlikethat]

Remember when some posters were defending that trade ?

I hate you MB, I hope you lose your GM job and never found one again.

There’s still people defending it, just not on here. On twitter Bergevin still has quite a few apologists

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

There’s still people defending it, just not on here. On twitter Bergevin still has quite a few apologists

Average fan is stupid.

 

[SirClintonPortis]

Sure, but there are 30 other teams and a lot of stupid to go around.

The only reason people call Bergevin is to ask if he's got another blue chip prospect or elite player that he is willing to give away for a player riding on reputation like Weber or Drouin.
Bergevin is the stupid guy you are referring to.

 

[SirClintonPortis]

I find we sometimes live too much in a bubble and forget that there's some really, really dumb general managers all over the league, and GMs that are more like Gainey where they are relatively good at their jobs but still make very stupid decisions. The league also will usually have preference to people with experience over new GMs, though lately it's been an assistant GM hiring spree in the league. Still, George McPhee traded Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat and got the Vegas job. You can do a lot of bad before you're considered unhireable.

McPhee is a mediocre GM. He's somewhat good, or actually great at identifying young sleeper talent and parlaying expiring contracts into draft picks--and is successful at getting players who can raise their stock. He's bad at making deadline trades. The Tatar trade this year was another "huh?" moment for him, and there's the Joe Corvo trade. That's the good and the bad of McPhee.

Anyway, Washington would not even have a Forsberg to dispose of if McPhee's previous asset management of Varlamov didn't land him that draft pick from Colorado which became Forsberg. The pick for Varlamov was from Nashville for Brendan Witt, a player I would best describe as a 3rd pair fighting defenseman.

There are also mitigating circumstances it is likely McPhee was making moves to win a Cup NOW with him at the helm since his job was on the line. He would lose his position the next season. Erat was a consistent 60 point player and McPhee wanted his name on a Cup. Thus, his self-interest no longer coincided with the long-term interests of the Capitals.

Bergevin doesn't have to worry about job security and he still managed to ruin things far more quickly. McPhee guided Washington through an intentional rebuild, with mass sell-offs of Jagr, Robert Lang, Gonchar, etc and drafted OV, Backstrom, Carlson, who are still underpinning the Capitals to this day.

 

[Scriptor]

I find we sometimes live too much in a bubble and forget that there's some really, really dumb general managers all over the league, and GMs that are more like Gainey where they are relatively good at their jobs but still make very stupid decisions. The league also will usually have preference to people with experience over new GMs, though lately it's been an assistant GM hiring spree in the league. Still, George McPhee traded Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat and got the Vegas job. You can do a lot of bad before you're considered unhireable.

You guys are a hoot. Gotta love the implication that Bergevin is a really, really dumb General Manager. Seriously, WhoTF are you guys!? Mensa protégés in comparison. I find that really hard to believe.

A little respect would go a long way towards being respected, if you're wondering.

 

[Doc McKenna]

Next season is gonna be so sweet, we are practically guaranteed another top 5 pick!

 

[Doc McKenna]

You guys are a hoot. Gotta love the implication that Bergevin is a really, really dumb General Manager. Seriously, WhoTF are you guys!? Mensa protégés in comparison. I find that really hard to believe.

A little respect would go a long way towards being respected, if you're wondering.

Know whats hard to believe is that even with average IQ on this board we are all smarter than the moron that is ruining this organization. Take your pick Moronson, or Bergidiot. This trade was horrible right from the start and this is just making it all the better for us Haters because we asked these questions a while ago.
Don't have to be mensa, or even above average to be smarter than Bergevin, just higher than room temperature.

 

[Price is Wright]

Actually I know I'm an idiot. That's why I can say folks like Bergevin are very familiar to me.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

My dog could do a better job. Anybody who thinks they couldn't do a better job must find themselves extremely stupid.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Actually I know I'm an idiot. That's why I can say folks like Bergevin are very familiar to me.

I don't think so, the idiot always think that he's smarter than everybody and can't admit that he's an idiot.