Papa Cherry
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I wouldn't say Hutchinson has been atrocious but he's definately been below average. Our defense isn't sharp enough to win with below average goaltending.
Injury Report: Andersen Upper-Body Injury
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I wouldn't say Hutchinson has been atrocious but he's definately been below average. Our defense isn't sharp enough to win with below average goaltending.
Nithoniniel
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But we kind of have. I think we're 31st in the league in save percentage since Keefe took over, and most other defensive metrics have gone the other way.
So no accountability until ever trace of Lou and Mike has been eradicated?
I fully expect you will be told that it’s Babcock’s fault for playing the backup when he did as opposed to Dubas not providing an adequate option.
Is this guy a wizard? Damn hes good. One of the only true experts we have on this board.
inthe6ix
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Yeah, because our team scores a ton, not because Andersen has been playing well.
Bomber0104
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Yet we get the wins all the same. An elite 118 pace worth of wins.
With backups, we don't. A 47 point pace (lol).
Same offence and defence in front, just categorically different results in the win-loss column.
I know you think you're a real "numbers" guy so surely you can appreciate the difference in quality between Andersen and the crap backups we've suffered thus far.
This isn't actually true; they haven't had identical conditions, and they don't face identical teams, and the team doesn't play identically in front. The backups have been worse for the year, but the gap in points is not representative of their gap in quality, and Andersen's pace in team points is not a representation of his personal play. Compared to expectations of what they were supposed to bring and have brought in the past, Andersen has disappointed just as much if not more than the backups.
Bomber0104
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You're right, Andersen (with his utterly elite 118 point pace) has played much harder matchups against much better competition including B2B nights, than our absolutely atrocious backups (47 point pace) have..
Thanks for reminding me of that.
You're too helpful
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Yup. It's really frustrating to watch people cheer on a GM wasting our AM years. When the regression is obvious.
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Bomber0104
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Andersen is winning at a better pace (118 point pace) than last year (109 point pace) as well as his career average (111 point pace). He's actually outperforming himself.
Our backup goalies on the other hand have delivered us an absolutely absymal 47 point pace this year, which is an even worse level than the terrible one they set last year (75 point pace)
In conclusion, your expectations are bordering on absolutely ridiculous. We win a lot of games with Andersen (an elite amount actually) and we're lucky to have him at a great contract and the low acquisition cost we got him for.
No, the team is outperforming his struggles. Big difference.
Looking at team point totals to evaluate a goalie makes no sense, especially over small samples.
When you give up a goal a game a peewee AAA goalie saves all the time it is atrocious. Goal 4 by Panthers. Goal 4 by Rangers. Both goals were far worse than atrocious. They kill teams. At any level. That is not below average. It is take a guy off ice immediately level. Goalies need to make every normal save. They get pulled at every level when they don't.
You're right, Andersen (with his utterly elite 118 point pace) has played much harder matchups against much better competition including B2B nights, than our absolutely atrocious backups (47 point pace) have..
Thanks for reminding me of that.
You're too helpful
The problem with your math is that Anderson should have been on the hook for 3 losses that hutch ended up taking because the leafs eventually scored enough when the game was out of reach.
Of course Freddie is great. He had a brutal 10 game stretch and got saved 3 times by cheapies at the end.
Still Freddie is a great goalie. Hutch is not.
But your numbers are misleading
Bomber0104
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All I know is that over 82 games, Andersen would put us atop the conference playing just as good (or horrible depending on where you stand) as he is.
I'll admit though, one of my biggest issues with Andersen happens to be that he can't play all 82 games and that he needs 20-30 games off per season - forcing us to use the garbage backups that Dubas finds.
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stickty111
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Papa Cherry
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Yeah no. Goalies don't always get pulled right after one soft goal at every level, they have a longer leash than that otherwise you would destroy their confidence. He has a shutout so obv he isn't giving up a soft goal every game like you say. Look, he's a bad goalie right now but my point is that our defense doesn't do him any favours with the boatload of shots allowed, odd man rushes and scoring chances in the slot.
Anyways, solid that we got Campbell just because we needed a change, but he's gonna have to be at least as good as Anderson for us to make the playoffs.
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Very good sire. He fine and could play tomorrow already, but they finna give hime some time off and chillax pill. That's all gravy. Andersen finna murder the canadiens saturday night and we'll get ANOTHER two points to our bank. We that great. Offensively, ain't no stopping us. And now we also have Clifford....... others team ain't have nothing on us anymore. We still have to work though Ich understands that, but other than that. IT's ours to take like the cake on birthdays already.
