Player Discussion: Anders Lee

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Le Grec

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He appears to be heavily trusted by Trotts late in games when the Isles are trying to close things out. But what the hell does Trotts know. I thought for sure he had the moves like Jagger......:popcorn:
And I agree, 6on5 he can be useful.
 

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He'd be no worse than Martin - but your argument is irrelevant....we know he's not PK'ing. Nor do we want/need him to. We signed many a guy long term who can more than handle our PK. Barzal isn't killing penalties either.

So now we're back to him not being on in OT (and apparently "spending the bulk of his ice time waiting for others to create a play so he can pick up the scraps.")....

I don't think anyone's pretending he's something he's not (not even ndgolden and he has pictures of Anders shirtless in his bedroom)....we're just trying to put a number on what he's going to get. You stop the contract at 6 years. It would be great if that were so, but I'm not sure that will be the case. And while its not ideal, I'd rather have Anders at 7 years @ $6.5 AAV than letting him walk.
And that's my point...
I see Lee as a specialist...like a closer in baseball.
No one is saying not to pay the man, but do you want to make him the highest paid player on the team?
 

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And that's my point...
I see Lee as a specialist...like a closer in baseball.
No one is saying not to pay the man, but do you want to make him the highest paid player on the team?

You've already conceded that he should be the highest paid player on the team ($7m will make him that - at least for now). You just drew a line in the sand between 6 and 7 years.

And I'm not saying he's a specialist - you are. I'm saying that there are certain things he won't do. I quoted your point (from your description of Hornqvist) as its ridiculous, not accurate. Its not like Lee is getting 4th line minutes and roles and only comes out on the PP to stand in front of the net. That's horsesh!t. He does that better than anyone in the league so that's what he's known for but that's hardly his only ability. Sure there are things that he doesn't do (i.e. PK or play 3 x 3) but he is an asset at 5 x 5 as well. The only one who is pretending he's something he's not is you....namely a PP specialist who does little else.
 

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And that's my point...
I see Lee as a specialist...like a closer in baseball.
No one is saying not to pay the man, but do you want to make him the highest paid player on the team?

Barzy and hopefully a significant UFA will easily make his contract seem very pedestrian in the very near future. What would you expect to pay for a NHL player who has averaged 30.12 goals and 21 assists per 82 games played his entire career?
 

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You've already conceded that he should be the highest paid player on the team ($7m will make him that - at least for now). You just drew a line in the sand between 6 and 7 years.

And I'm not saying he's a specialist - you are. I'm saying that there are certain things he won't do. I quoted your point (from your description of Hornqvist) as its ridiculous, not accurate. Its not like Lee is getting 4th line minutes and roles and only comes out on the PP to stand in front of the net. That's horsesh!t. He does that better than anyone in the league so that's what he's known for but that's hardly his only ability. Sure there are things that he doesn't do (i.e. PK or play 3 x 3) but he is an asset at 5 x 5 as well. The only one who is pretending he's something he's not is you....namely a PP specialist who does little else.
First off, I said I want him for 6x6, I can live with 6x7, which would tie him with Boychuck.
Second, never said you called him a specialist, I am calling him that. Look at Nelson, a player most hate. He can play 4on4, PP, PK, OT, shootout...theses are not things Lee won't do, they are things he can't do, big difference.
Third, I never disagreed that Lee is good 5on5, or called him a PP specialist.

Lee is the best at what he does, no doubt. And again, I love him as a player and captain of the Isles. But there are people here who are looking at his goal totals and want to give him a contract based on that primarily, which I think is nuts! That's what Buffalo did with Moulson.

I'd be pissed if he left, but I would be just as pissed if he got 7 or 8 years for 7+.
 

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Barzy and hopefully a significant UFA will easily make his contract seem very pedestrian in the very near future. What would you expect to pay for a NHL player who has averaged 30.12 goals and 21 assists per 82 games played his entire career?
6x6 is what I'd offer, 6x7 I could live with...
And Barzal's contract should make his look "pedestrian", seeing as every shift he takes he single handedly controls the game, something Lee can't do...
 
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6x6 is what I'd offer, 6x7 I could live with...
And Barzal's contract should make his look "pedestrian", seeing as every shift he takes he single handedly controls the game, something Lee can't do...

LOL, is payroll coming out of your checking account? Sweet baby Jesus!
 

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6x6 is what I'd offer, 6x7 I could live with...
And Barzal's contract should make his look "pedestrian", seeing as every shift he takes he single handedly controls the game, something Lee can't do...

Of course he'll get more but just remember that we're comparing apples and oranges here. Lee is an UFA/ Barzal will be a RFA with no arbitration rights. So he'll need to play ball, accept a bridge or hold out for nothing. Assuming he signs long term, it will be more than Lee's contract, but not 2x more.
 

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Of course he'll get more but just remember that we're comparing apples and oranges here. Lee is an UFA/ Barzal will be a RFA with no arbitration rights. So he'll need to play ball, accept a bridge or hold out for nothing. Assuming he signs long term, it will be more than Lee's contract, but not 2x more.
Just out of curiosity, what's the most you would offer Lee?
 

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Just out of curiosity, what's the most you would offer Lee?

I can't imagine giving him more than E. Kane and would realistically like some discount off that deal. But if push came to shove and that's what it would take to sign him, would I do it? Yeah, probably.
 

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I can't imagine giving him more than E. Kane and would realistically like some discount off that deal. But if push came to shove and that's what it would take to sign him, would I do it? Yeah, probably.
I think he'll get that (7 times 7). Isles can't afford to lose Tavares one year and Lee the next and Lee's agent knows it. Once again, Tavares gets a player a few extra million.
 
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I think he'll get that (7 times 7). Isles can't afford to lose Tavares one year and Lee the next and Lee's agent knows it. Once again, Tavares gets a player a few extra million.

Ya know, I had at the end of the post "....and if it takes a few million more to get it done, I guess I do it." but realized it was incongruent with "can't imagine going over E. Kane's deal" so I deleted it. His deal shouldn't surpass Kane's. If it does, he's being a greedy opportunist, which is his right. But he should take something slightly south of it. He wants to be here, that part is obvious - he's admitted as much. He has every right to get paid but he doesn't need to milk every last cent out of the team. That's not necessary.
 

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Of course if you can't reach a deal you have no choice but to move him. You are arguing to get rid of him because you value a pick or a prospect more than Lee and I can in no way understand that. You denigrate his impotence like he's a bit player, which just ignores everything his teammates and media have gone out of their way to say about him. I'd bet money both Lou and Barry know this which is why I'm certain he will be re signed.

Your being dramatic. I don't denigrate him to a bit player. I am just not injecting emotional value to his ability as a hockey player like, "he's a great dude" and "he's good for the community" instead looking at it from a standpoint of what he's actually paid to do, play hockey. You can tell me all you want that you are sure he'll get signed, but if you can say with a straight face "I'm sure it'll be a great contract for the next 7 years" than you just aren't a very honest person. If he signs a Bailey special....by all means do it. If he wants market value, think long and hard about whether it is worth it. People were sure here that signing Ladd would make me forget about Okposo.
 

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You're probably right about him not deserving much more than Bailey. But that's not how agreements are reached. The fact of the matter is that Lee has the Islanders over a barrel. They don't have a choice really. They need to sign the guy come hell or high water. They can't afford to have another Captain take off. Plus, the guy scored 40 goals last year. That doesn't happen by accident. He knows how to put the puck in the net.

He's getting $35m minimum. Probably more like $40m or more. It just depends how many years and how its structured. He probably wants 7 and the team wants 5. It will probably be 6 or 7 at the end of the day (I doubt he'll settle for 5). So what will it ultimately be? Probably an AAV between $6.5 - $7m. 6 years/$40m is palatable for everyone I think. Evander Kane's deal is probably screwing the Islanders though. That may push it higher.

Some of those goals absolutely happened by accident, lol.
 

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This whole situation is bad for the organization. Should of been signed in July or traded before camp. It's like the isles never learn. They always assume they are a desirable destination then find out players have no problem leaving. It's as if Lou thought "maybe I don't want Lee long term, I'll keep him around...oh no ...now Trotz loves him"
Lee isn't doing any discounts...now he needs to be overpaid or the organization gets embarrassed again losing another captain who has no issues walking away
 

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This whole situation is bad for the organization. Should of been signed in July or traded before camp. It's like the isles never learn. They always assume they are a desirable destination then find out players have no problem leaving. It's as if Lou thought "maybe I don't want Lee long term, I'll keep him around...oh no ...now Trotz loves him"
Lee isn't doing any discounts...now he needs to be overpaid or the organization gets embarrassed again losing another captain who has no issues walking away
Slow down and lets see what happens. You may well be right (I can't believe I just typed that) but nothing's happened yet.

We can debate til the wee hours on a message board but the situation will most likely play itself out professionally and to everyone's satisfaction (mostly). Bailey wasn't re-signed until late February. From our perspective now, he was re-signed early.
 
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