Proposal: anaheim - new york rangers
- Thread starter sasha barkov
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- Jul 25, 2012
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Idk that its enticing enough for NY(im guessing the 27 or the 36)
and idk that the ducks want to entertain moving steel/lundy yet.
I like both Steel+Lundeström, but neither player as a centerpiece for ADA considering most of the Rangers fanbase see Chytil as a higher caliber Center.
Don't think either team does this (depending on the pick). Ducks need Steel to become a 2C and if Lundestrom is the player, NY fans will want the #6 pick. Ducks shouldn't be looking to fast track the rebuild and they're not far enough through it to make a trade like this worth it. DeAngelo is in a better spot in NY than in Anaheim to put up points, he has legit first line players to play with and a short sample size so Ducks shouldn't want to pay for what he put up last season as the norm and Rangers wouldn't want to sell him for less. Rangers best move would be to keep him for another year (if they think last year wasn't an anomaly) and let him put up a couple seasons at 50/60+ then decide if they want to move him or not.
Anaheim just needs to keep drafting and developing young guys and hope they get gifted high picks in a good draft.
Hard to see DeAngelo getting moved if the Rangers aren't getting a comparable NHL talent back in the deal. Steel has potential but the Rangers are beyond the point of dealing roster players for just potential.
MMC
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Not interested from an Anaheim perspective
KirkAlbuquerque
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Djp
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No team with already 3D set to protect will trade for ADA only to expose him.
Chytil > Steel by a lot. Woud be idiotic for NY to do this. Anaheim should be rebuilding. Not trading away youth.
- Jul 25, 2012
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Beyond the fact that he's bigger, faster, nearly two years younger, is more of a goal scorer, and put up more points in fewer games this season? Steel's a decent prospect, but he's more Howden than Chytil.
dracom
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Pretty disingenuous comparison. Steel is 22 and Chytil 21. Chytil also has 144 games played to Steels 87 (majority came from this last season). Chytil also had 23 points in 60 games to Steel’s 22 points in 65 games. They are much closer than you’re willing to accept.
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Neither have really show much at the nhl lvl, and their stats are pretty similar in the nhl/ahl. He also plays on a much better offensive team than steel does. None of your arguments are good. Chytil certainly has potentially to be better but right now I don’t think there is much separating the 2
but sure I suppose we can say way better if it helps you sleep at night
Oh for f***'s sake:
I said Chytil (6'2, 200+ pounds) is bigger than Steel (5'11, 190ish pounds). Where is that disingenuous?
I said Chytil is faster--that's an eye test. You are welcome to disagree.
I said Chytil is nearly two years younger. He is 19 months younger than Steel. Help me out--is 19 closer to two years or one? How is that disingenuous?
I said Chytil is more of a goal scorer. He scored 14 this year as a 20 year old. He scored 11 last year as a 19 year old. Over that same span, even with being older, Steel scored a total of 12 goals.
I said Chytil scored more points in fewer games. You countered by posting the stats that showed that...he scored more points in fewer games.
Again, Steel isn't a bad prospect, but he is far more of a smaller Howden. Chytil has done more at a younger age, and at this point is a far better prospect, which is nothing negative against Steel.
dracom
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All you’re pointing out is they aren’t all the different lol. Any difference they have is fairly small. One just has the benefit of being on a better offensive team and a full extra season in the nhl.
They aren't that far off in their production this year--a year where Chytil is nearly TWO YEARS YOUNGER--and Chytil still has the edge. I don't know why you're so hung up on the Rangers being a better offensive team. Chytil rarely saw any ice with any of the top players on the Rangers. He mainly skated with Howden and Kakko (who were, statistically, among the worst players in the league last year). He's not out there with Zib or Panarin.
Bottom line is that you clearly don't know a thing about Chytil, and you don't want to know because you want to stick your head in the sand on this (inane) point. 99/100 unbiased observers would take Chytil over Steel. It's not really a controversial statement.
I think they will go with 7 forwards. If I'm not mistaken, these 5 will require protection: lundestrom, steel, jones, terry, comtois and then you protect two more from rakell silf, henrique, heinen, milano (of course, some of these guys could be moved before, like Rakell, or not be seen as part of the core going forward like Milano) and any new acquisitions.
Pavel Buchnevich
Drury and Laviolette Must Go
This isn’t all that close. Offer something of value. We don’t want your spare parts.
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Djp
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Fowler, lindholm, and Manson come to mind... then they have some others that could be exposed on D.
I don’t see thrm going 8-1.
Why would a rebuilding team want to acquire someone 3 yrs from UFA?
If they felt they were st the stage of recompeting again after a rebuild thrn they might have intetest
There is no reason for the ducks t make this type of trade now. With or without Deangelo, the ducks are in rebuild mode and a borderline playoff team. So unless they are acquiring futures or other assets at a discount, they are better waiting until after the expansion draft to ramp it up. And just to be clear, I see no reason for NYR to trade Deangelo at a discount, to doesn't seem like a match.
Rangers best move is to get market value for vets and give those mins to emerging guys.
Those guys need those mins.
Delaying that is a prob.
Kravtsov is an example.
We don't have quite the same logjam immediately at RD, but it makes sense to move Tony now. Why? B'c acquiring club gets more time for his full production this yr, not delayed or a partial year, AND his salary now, due to covid, likely 4.5 x 2.
4.5 x 2 would be great for Rangers, but we can't get around Trouba's 8 per.
Hence DeA must go.
It is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when.
But that said, we hold enuf cards we control that.
It behooves us not to hold off on any kind of a good deal, but we can make sure we are not just giving him away either.
agree.
And it is not a matter of if but when; however, we are not forced now. We may eventually be forced if we don't take a good deal now.
We are best off, assuming fair value returned for our vets, to move our vets.
Waiting is not good and I'd rather get ahead of the exp dr now than try to do so later.
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Counter:
keep steel.
ANA needs Fs anyway.
Either:
Deangelo + CAR 2020 1st 22OA + two 2020 3rds
for
ANA 1st 6OA + ANA 2021 2nd
OR
Deangelo
for
BOSTON 2020 1st + ANA 2020 + 2021 2nds
either of those doors should work for both.
What a wild world we live in. Lets just plan to expose the dman who was 4th in defensive scoring in the entire league. Hot take
Thanks we will
Good luck with your spare parts
broc
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Leave it to bern to change a proposition entirely to where NYR acquire top picks or top prospects for NYR dudes who need new contracts and expansion draft protection.
Good luck with that, lol.
Good luck with that, lol.
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