Right now there aren't many teams who seem out of it. Buffalo only has Meyers of interest but cost will be too high. Edmonton has Petry who's ok just depends on the price. Carolina has Sekera but he's a lefty and will cost a bunch. Columbus has Wisniewski but he won't be cheap at all. Rather get someone now who we can acclimate to the system and be cheaper then waiting till the deadline and get in a bidding war.
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Right now there aren't many teams who seem out of it. Buffalo only has Meyers of interest but cost will be too high. Edmonton has Petry who's ok just depends on the price. Carolina has Sekera but he's a lefty and will cost a bunch. Columbus has Wisniewski but he won't be cheap at all. Rather get someone now who we can acclimate to the system and be cheaper then waiting till the deadline and get in a bidding war.
Leafs and Caps won't sell. Michalek doesn't seem like a big upgrade but could be a good partner for Carle. Petry would work well with Garrison but what will he cost?
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Normally I would agree about Leafs and Caps but there is very little chance they resign Green and literally no chance they resign Franson. If Caps are out of it they will trade green but my guess is Detroit will pay a kings ransom for him.
Highly mobile defenseman with good hockey IQ, consistant at both ends of the ice, Carolina is leaving him and Faulk out to dry this year. Not saying we should pay an arm and a leg for him but he would be a great upgrade on our defense.
Also, this is pretty boss. Team down 0-5 none the less. He would be required to wear another number none the less
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I don't think Franson will fit in here. He's good offensively but slow and lazy defensively. Seems to me that we need more of a TWD than another OFD. Stralman and Hedman can bring plenty of offensive punch from the back end whenever we need it.
Franson doesn't seem like he'd be a good fit for Coopers system and can't see the Caps not making the playoffs. Wisniewski would be the best fit but his cap and price will most likely take him out. Then I'd go Petry but Edmonton would want a center back and I wouldn't move Namestnikov for him. Michalek would be cheapest but not really an upgrade.
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Agree with most. Although I bet Yzerman could get Petry for a reasonable price that we wouldn't mind.
But the sad thing is, these are the cream of the crop choices.
Personally I'd love Sekera but Cooper would have to get away from his love of R-L pairings for it to work. And he will be highly sought after so expensive. Price would be worth it if we could resign him for a good cap hit. He's still young at 28.
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Really enjoyed Brewer's time here with us. I thought he was pretty good when we first got him and was a steal. He had lost a step but still provided solid veteran leadership and a steady, if slow, back end presence. Didn't get some of the hate. Sad to see him go a little bit but thankful for his help to the team. He'll get a good chance with the Ducks.
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I predicted last year that we would go after Sekera at some point, haven't changed my mind at all, dude's a beast.
I think Carolina would accept something like Carle+1st for him, because he isn't going to sigm there from what I've heard.
And Martin is a a special case as FA's going into the playoffs go, because he has stated that he will move on indefinitely, and Pitt is in a great need of scoring wingers. Which we coincidentally happen to have in say, Killorn and Connolly.
The rest of the available punch are either bad, don't fit or won't be in the market, Petry is the best of the rest but he wont be leaving Edmonton , unless he demands 7mil per 7 yrs, and even then he might get it due to Edmontons utter lack of good dmen.
I think Carolina would accept something like Carle+1st for him, because he isn't going to sigm there from what I've heard.
And Martin is a a special case as FA's going into the playoffs go, because he has stated that he will move on indefinitely, and Pitt is in a great need of scoring wingers. Which we coincidentally happen to have in say, Killorn and Connolly.
The rest of the available punch are either bad, don't fit or won't be in the market, Petry is the best of the rest but he wont be leaving Edmonton , unless he demands 7mil per 7 yrs, and even then he might get it due to Edmontons utter lack of good dmen.
did this come out of the blue or was it assumed something like this might happen to send Brewer somewhere?
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Assumed. I thought it might happen just because we were going to have to send Paquette/Namestnikov down otherwise. Makes perfect sense both timing-wise and value-wise.
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I think we should get Carle of this team as fast as possible. The problem is we have two declining LDs with heavy contracts. While Garrison is good for is so far, I bet he is another Brewer in around two years. So if we keep Carle and Garrison we have around 10m cap tied up for two bottom pairing veterans within a few years.
We have everything it takes to get a good (youngish) defender. And I am not counting on Koekkoek or DeAngelo to be a top4 defender within 2 years.
SY should go out and unloud Carle for wathever he can(without retaining salary) and go out get another possesion defender like Stralman (and Sekera is the perfect example). I rather overpay for a great fit than go for the cheap last Option available. And this guy should not be a rental.
I would have no problem trading any pick (yes even the NYR one) Connolly or even DeAngelo for the right guy. Koekkoek not so much, just because we need a ready defender to step in for injurys.
We have everything it takes to get a good (youngish) defender. And I am not counting on Koekkoek or DeAngelo to be a top4 defender within 2 years.
SY should go out and unloud Carle for wathever he can(without retaining salary) and go out get another possesion defender like Stralman (and Sekera is the perfect example). I rather overpay for a great fit than go for the cheap last Option available. And this guy should not be a rental.
I would have no problem trading any pick (yes even the NYR one) Connolly or even DeAngelo for the right guy. Koekkoek not so much, just because we need a ready defender to step in for injurys.
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Carle isn't older either and is declining big time. Fact is Garrison is not the player he was a few years ago.
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Carle isn't declining - he's exactly the same player he has always been. Garrison has actually improved this season. Defensemen tend not to fall off a cliff at 30 - these are their prime years (generally).
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Carle isn't declining - he's exactly the same player he has always been. Garrison has actually improved this season. Defensemen tend not to fall off a cliff at 30 - these are their prime years (generally).
Agreed, Garrison got alot better as the season progressed. Defensemen can remain pretty damn effective till 35~.
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Unloading Carle is dumb. He's nowhere near as bad as some of you want him to be and you won't get anyone better from that rental list that's for sure.
It would also defeat the purpose of getting another defenseman if you ship one out. The point is to build the depth not exchange pieces.
It would also defeat the purpose of getting another defenseman if you ship one out. The point is to build the depth not exchange pieces.
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In a perfect world the bottom pairing should be Carle-Gudas. Carle would be very effective there, if traded, you'll miss him one way or another. Playing Sustr (I like him but needs more time) or Barberio (true he's improving though) for the playoffs is recipe for disaster. Yzerman got rid of Brewer for a good reason IMO, the defense will be upgraded via a trade sooner or later.
I agree that Carle isn't declining, he hasn't lost a step nor is he getting hurt frequently which is normally what happens to declining player's. His issue is his hockey IQ isn't great and when he has to play over 20 minutes a night that fatigue makes it worse which is why you see dumb mistakes. Get him under 20 and his game will improve. It's gonna be hard to move his contract and if we did a team that could take his contract probably is on his no trade list.
I can't see Carolina willing to take him plus a 1st for Sekera, they'd want more since they have to take that contract. The issue then becomes if we did get Sekera we'd sign him to a deal similar to the Carle one and we might be in this same situation with him in 3 years. Rather get cheap option just for a playoff run, I'm ok with Gudas and Sustr staying in the lineup with the rental just for injury insurance.
I can't see Carolina willing to take him plus a 1st for Sekera, they'd want more since they have to take that contract. The issue then becomes if we did get Sekera we'd sign him to a deal similar to the Carle one and we might be in this same situation with him in 3 years. Rather get cheap option just for a playoff run, I'm ok with Gudas and Sustr staying in the lineup with the rental just for injury insurance.
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Personally, my frustration with Brewer came from his repeated trips to the penalty box this season. He's not the most penalized player on the team, but he's close. 18 PIM in 17 GP is not quite a liability, but it's getting close. Might have been that he was a little desperate in his play, and that led him to commit more penalties than is acceptable, but that's still no excuse to hand so many PPs to the opposing teams. Other than that, I didn't have any real issues with him.
For me, it's Carle who is truly questionable.
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Good value for Brewer and frees up the spot. I think we go forward with our D for now and let Sustr and Barbs get some time in. We can further evaluate where we are by midpoint in the season, other teams will have a better sense of it they are playoff bound or not as well. So Toronto, Caps, Canes etc might be more willing to part with a D for a young forward or draft pick etc.
Carle and Sustr are showing their issues because they are playing more minutes than they should be. Heddy coming back will help slot them appropriately and we will see less of that in the next 10 games.
Man, all that draft picks next year in a deep draft! Gives us flexibility to make a move AND restock some depth as well. We are really being set up for success in the years to come like the Bolts have never been before. We are watching the building of a Dynasty right before our very eyes.
Good value for Brewer and frees up the spot. I think we go forward with our D for now and let Sustr and Barbs get some time in. We can further evaluate where we are by midpoint in the season, other teams will have a better sense of it they are playoff bound or not as well. So Toronto, Caps, Canes etc might be more willing to part with a D for a young forward or draft pick etc.
Carle and Sustr are showing their issues because they are playing more minutes than they should be. Heddy coming back will help slot them appropriately and we will see less of that in the next 10 games.
Man, all that draft picks next year in a deep draft! Gives us flexibility to make a move AND restock some depth as well. We are really being set up for success in the years to come like the Bolts have never been before. We are watching the building of a Dynasty right before our very eyes.
