Confirmed Signing with Link: [ANA] Francois Beauchemin (1 Year, $1M w/ Bonuses)
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Strange how respected champions like JSG and Beauch didnt like those kids there
I remember seeing in the SHL Larsson being on right side quite a lot. He also was good enough to start last year in the NHL while we had Theodore and Montour in San Diego. There is at least some outside chance Larsson starts in the NHL but no one really have an idea
Because he had a pretty underwhelming numbers and play was questionable during the season for a guy who started the year in Anaheim. Will be interesting to see
Soedy
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The Vegas story was more on older players aswell (I remember Shane O'Brien being involved). There was no reason there was a positive atmosphere in the locker room last year. So I wouldn't weight it that high.
I thought Biekas played left and Monty was mainly paired with Hampus and he was on the right side.
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That was Theodore. Montour only played 27 regular season games, and he was on the right.
Paul4587
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Your lineup has 3lhd and 3rhd in it, Carlyle isn't going to ice that defense core and play two righties together and two lefties together. Especially when neither Montour or Bieksa have played the left side.
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I hope one day the Ducks will be able to get bounced in the first round of the playoffs and have their player of 19 years bolt to another team in the off-season.
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No he didn't. He played with Lindholm or Fowler.
Edit: http://www.naturalstattrick.com/pla...17&playerid=8477986&sit=5v5&stype=2&rate=&v=t
He played ~300 of his ~370 minutes with either Fowler or Lindholm. He played 26 mins with Bieksa.
The RDs we had that played on the left last year were Vatanen who was ok on the left and Holzer who sucked balls on the left. Bieksa, Montour and Manson all exclusively played the right.
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Imagine if either Hampus or Cam were righties, what an amazing first pairing that would've been.
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Pretty funny how Avs fans are putting all the blame on him, when they play him +20min a night, haha.
Limited role in Ducks, should be fine.
Limited role in Ducks, should be fine.
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It's because of how bad he was. The Avs are a joke. It's undeniable. But FB was by far the worst part of the on ice product. There's issues in that franchise well beyond the dumpster fire of Francois Beauchemin forcing goals against on the ice, but based on the roster alone he was the biggest contributor to Avs losses last year.
It's not all the blame. He was just very representative of the reason we were terrible. He was a guy we needed to be a #4, and he ended up being closer to a #8. That happening up and down almost the entire lineup is why we were atrocious. Beauchemin catches a bit of extra heat, because the veteran leaders are the guys you hope stabilize things when the young guys slump, but Beauchemin was among the worst of the slumpers. When a vet is calling people out for their play when his own play is among the worst, it can have the opposite of the desired effect.
I wouldn't have minded pressing the reset button on my expectations for him and bringing him back to be a 6/7/8 this year, but neither side really wanted that. Plus, we wanted the extra protection spot.
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Just to counter any Ducks fans who think one of their cup-winning heroes is being treated unfairly by people who had to witness him playing a key role in the worst NHL team in twenty years:
- At the start of the season a new coach came in. He took an A from Cody McLeod, a well-liked 4th liner who had worn an A for five years and was the longest serving player on the team, and gave it to Beauchemin. While the far more important issue of the Avalanche destroying any positive potential garnered from the 2013-14 season by over-reliance on veterans rather than allowing the young players to develop and lead the team was in a way symbolised by the role Beauchemin played last year, any mitigation of it from the stripping of Jarome Iginla's letter was undone when Beauchemin got his before he'd played a game. Iginla's time on the ice was actually diminished in accordance with his role. Beauchemin's wasn't. When the same player who is subsequently setting no on-ice example to speak of tries to call out other players, there's no meaningful leadership coming from him.
- Whether through obligation or a lack of realising that things should be any other way, on-ice, Beauchemin did a lot of captain's duties. While Landeskog was injured for part of the year, when he was dressed it was Beauchemin who did most of the talking to the referees. Ironically the issue with the glass in Anaheim is a prime example of this - it was Beauchemin's corpse over talking to the refs with Getzlaf when they were discussing what was happening to the game.
- Similarly, though Erik Johnson missed most of the season the opportunity to fill that role should never have fell to Beauchemin. No player, certainly not one as experienced and professional as him, is going to tell the coach they think they shouldn't be playing in a certain role. I don't know if Bednar's inexperience at the NHL level made him keep playing Beauchemin so much when it was patently obvious he was incapable of playing the minutes he was, but he played far more than he should have. This raises two problems, in that you have someone unsuited for one of the most important on-ice roles which sets the team back because you can't rely on him, and it sends a message to everyone else in the organisation that there's no sense of merit influencing player decisions. Beauchemin got outplayed by an assortment of waiver pickups, career AHLers and people who had never played in the NHL before. Yet he was still getting top line minutes and special teams time.
- There can be no overstating how bad Beauchemin was on the ice. Whether it was seeing Bo Horvat make up ten feet on him in the time it took him to go from the blue line to the hashmarks (before setting up a goal), seeing him fire pucks blindly out from below the goal line straight to opposition players, seeing him send a square pass along the blue line five yards wide of his d-partner and out of the zone, seeing that for 20 minutes a night for 82 games goes beyond conventional badness and into the genuine belief that you're being punished for something. While other players like Soderberg and Colborne played a lot and were terrible, they weren't detrimental to the Avalanche the way Beauchemin was. Don't try and tell me his +/- was good or something like one person posted, he was unquestionably the worst Avalanche player in a season where there were more candidates for that accolade than you could ever imagine or want.
- I'm sure in a place where he has history and is well-respected and won't be playing #1 minutes every night on terrible team he'll be fine. I also don't doubt that in his time in Colorado he tried and was affected by his and the team's play. But as a player he was terrible and out of his depth for most of the time, as a figure he was symptomatic of the last three years being a write-off for the Avalanche. Don't try and paint people with a vested interest in the team criticising him for that as unreasonable or ignorant.
- At the start of the season a new coach came in. He took an A from Cody McLeod, a well-liked 4th liner who had worn an A for five years and was the longest serving player on the team, and gave it to Beauchemin. While the far more important issue of the Avalanche destroying any positive potential garnered from the 2013-14 season by over-reliance on veterans rather than allowing the young players to develop and lead the team was in a way symbolised by the role Beauchemin played last year, any mitigation of it from the stripping of Jarome Iginla's letter was undone when Beauchemin got his before he'd played a game. Iginla's time on the ice was actually diminished in accordance with his role. Beauchemin's wasn't. When the same player who is subsequently setting no on-ice example to speak of tries to call out other players, there's no meaningful leadership coming from him.
- Whether through obligation or a lack of realising that things should be any other way, on-ice, Beauchemin did a lot of captain's duties. While Landeskog was injured for part of the year, when he was dressed it was Beauchemin who did most of the talking to the referees. Ironically the issue with the glass in Anaheim is a prime example of this - it was Beauchemin's corpse over talking to the refs with Getzlaf when they were discussing what was happening to the game.
- Similarly, though Erik Johnson missed most of the season the opportunity to fill that role should never have fell to Beauchemin. No player, certainly not one as experienced and professional as him, is going to tell the coach they think they shouldn't be playing in a certain role. I don't know if Bednar's inexperience at the NHL level made him keep playing Beauchemin so much when it was patently obvious he was incapable of playing the minutes he was, but he played far more than he should have. This raises two problems, in that you have someone unsuited for one of the most important on-ice roles which sets the team back because you can't rely on him, and it sends a message to everyone else in the organisation that there's no sense of merit influencing player decisions. Beauchemin got outplayed by an assortment of waiver pickups, career AHLers and people who had never played in the NHL before. Yet he was still getting top line minutes and special teams time.
- There can be no overstating how bad Beauchemin was on the ice. Whether it was seeing Bo Horvat make up ten feet on him in the time it took him to go from the blue line to the hashmarks (before setting up a goal), seeing him fire pucks blindly out from below the goal line straight to opposition players, seeing him send a square pass along the blue line five yards wide of his d-partner and out of the zone, seeing that for 20 minutes a night for 82 games goes beyond conventional badness and into the genuine belief that you're being punished for something. While other players like Soderberg and Colborne played a lot and were terrible, they weren't detrimental to the Avalanche the way Beauchemin was. Don't try and tell me his +/- was good or something like one person posted, he was unquestionably the worst Avalanche player in a season where there were more candidates for that accolade than you could ever imagine or want.
- I'm sure in a place where he has history and is well-respected and won't be playing #1 minutes every night on terrible team he'll be fine. I also don't doubt that in his time in Colorado he tried and was affected by his and the team's play. But as a player he was terrible and out of his depth for most of the time, as a figure he was symptomatic of the last three years being a write-off for the Avalanche. Don't try and paint people with a vested interest in the team criticising him for that as unreasonable or ignorant.
Vinegar Strokes
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In limited minutes, I'm betting he'll be a pretty effective player. I'll even wager he's better than Bieksa this year, though that isn't saying much.
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caliamad
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Vancouver fans were saying the same thing about bieksa after we acquired him.
I smell train wreck, especially if the bs play together. hopefully at least 1 of them scratched when all our healthy.
I smell train wreck, especially if the bs play together. hopefully at least 1 of them scratched when all our healthy.
Maukkis
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Wrong Stuart, I guess. I meant Mark. That's a harmful player on the ice, who happens to use his negative energy exclusively to screw up his own team.
VanIslander
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You know what you are getting, know when he'll be an asset, when a liability, and so that experience with him and his style will only benefit the organization.
A great depth signing.
A great depth signing.
