Trade: Amari Cooper to Dallas for a 1st round pick

[Roboturner913]

It's not the best asset management. Yeah, you got a good player, but you had to give up a first rounder to get him, and you're going to have to give him a ginormous contract to keep him. And you kinda don't have any choice but to give him that ginormous contract in order to justify using a first round pick on him; you don't want him to walk in free agency considering what you had to invest to acquire him in the first place.

Of course if he keeps on putting up 10/200/3 statlines, then it's totally worth it. But it's more likely he's something like a 70/1200/8 guy over the course of a season long-term and you're probably paying him $15 million-plus for that.

he's definitely a good player though; I just get that Brandin Cooks vibe from him where he feels like more of a low-end #1 WR than a premium one.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Let's see, a might be good or a legit number 1 WR... Seriously let's stop overrating potential production over actual production. The cowboys cap situation is pretty good moving forward and restructures or cuts are coming for Smith, Lee, and Frederick(I think he'll have to retire tbh)

The most damning thing in all this is Derek Carr. It's pretty clear Amaris production the last two years had alot to do with him.

 

[GKJ]

Whatever the reasons, the biggest difference is how refocused he is.

 

[Troy McClure]

Whatever the reasons, the biggest difference is how refocused he is.

And it may be something as simple as going to a team wanting to make the playoffs. It may also be a wake up call that his agent told him he needed to prove himself because guys like him usually aren't traded, so he'd better play his ass off to prove to the league he deserves a massive contract. Who knows. I guess there is always the potential that his effort or focus drops off down the road when he feels content again, but that's something to worry about down the road.

 

[YEM]

It's not the best asset management. Yeah, you got a good player, but you had to give up a first rounder to get him, and you're going to have to give him a ginormous contract to keep him.

contract aside, at least that 1st rounder is looking more like around #25 than around #15, which was the case about a month ago

 

[Troy McClure]

 

[Filthy Dangles]

dat YAC.

 

[Troy McClure]

It's not the best asset management. Yeah, you got a good player, but you had to give up a first rounder to get him, and you're going to have to give him a ginormous contract to keep him. And you kinda don't have any choice but to give him that ginormous contract in order to justify using a first round pick on him; you don't want him to walk in free agency considering what you had to invest to acquire him in the first place.

Of course if he keeps on putting up 10/200/3 statlines, then it's totally worth it. But it's more likely he's something like a 70/1200/8 guy over the course of a season long-term and you're probably paying him $15 million-plus for that.

he's definitely a good player though; I just get that Brandin Cooks vibe from him where he feels like more of a low-end #1 WR than a premium one.

The asset managemebt is fine. You need to look at where the Cowboys are. Yeah, they could have kept the pick, drafted a WR, and saved cap money over the next few years. The problem is one of timing.

Even if they drafted a WR this spring, most rookie WRs don't do very much. So a 1st round WR doesn't really contribute anything until the 2020 season, by which point Zeke would be entering his 5th season and might be on the path to breaking down as most heavily used RBs do around that point.

The asset management you need to consider is that they are maximizing what they can do while Zeke is the best in the league.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Let's see, a might be good or a legit number 1 WR... Seriously let's stop overrating potential production over actual production. The cowboys cap situation is pretty good moving forward and restructures or cuts are coming for Smith, Lee, and Frederick(I think he'll have to retire tbh)

The most damning thing in all this is Derek Carr. It's pretty clear Amaris production the last two years had alot to do with him.

It was a lot of things. The Oline for Oakland has been a tire fire since the beginning of last year, and that used to be a strength of the Raiders.

Cooper seems to be a lot better without Oakland, and Oakland is actually doing better without him. Carr has 11 td's and 0 int's in the last 2 months.

 

[The Burdened]

both teams still make that trade 10/10 times

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

It's not the best asset management. Yeah, you got a good player, but you had to give up a first rounder to get him, and you're going to have to give him a ginormous contract to keep him. And you kinda don't have any choice but to give him that ginormous contract in order to justify using a first round pick on him; you don't want him to walk in free agency considering what you had to invest to acquire him in the first place.

Of course if he keeps on putting up 10/200/3 statlines, then it's totally worth it. But it's more likely he's something like a 70/1200/8 guy over the course of a season long-term and you're probably paying him $15 million-plus for that.

he's definitely a good player though; I just get that Brandin Cooks vibe from him where he feels like more of a low-end #1 WR than a premium one.

Not sure how it is bad asset management

They traded a 1st they likely would have needed to select a WR to begin with and landed a proven #1 who is producing in Dallas and who they will likely be happy to extend

He isn't going to get a Ginormous contract as you call it either. This isn't Calvin Johnson or Julio Jones here

Also Cooper is only 24 yrs old so the Cowboys are probably more then happy to invest longterm in him rather then draft a WR who would be ? and not much younger then him

 

[ArchAngel55]

Let's just remember the Eagles are missing both their starting CB's. A starting and back up S. Jones and Doughlas also missed the last game with injuries. The majority of their secondary is filled with practice squad players.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

The way I look at it, is alot of people wanted them to pick Calvin Ridley, instead they picked LVE who has helped make the defense really good

This draft at least in the first is a defense heavy group.

Cooper has changed the team. I saw some next gen stats that since the trade cowboys WR are now getting about 1.5-2 yards more of separation and that's bc everyone is in the right role now

 

[Roboturner913]

He isn't going to get a Ginormous contract as you call it either. This isn't Calvin Johnson or Julio Jones here

Apparently you've not been paying attention to how free agency works lately. We're talking about a league where Sammy Watkins makes $16 million a year even though it took him two seasons to put up 1 season worth of decent #1 WR stats.

It's Amari and Mike Thomas in 2020 as free agents and the next best thing will be a 33-year-old AJ Green. Dude is gonna get paid.

 

[m9]

Cooper's not making it to free agency, the Cowboys are going to give him a big deal this off-season. Something like 5 years, 85 million with 40 million guaranteed. Cowboys tried to get Watkins this last season and offered him similar to the Chiefs.. they'll put the cash up for Cooper.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Let's just remember the Eagles are missing both their starting CB's. A starting and back up S. Jones and Doughlas also missed the last game with injuries. The majority of their secondary is filled with practice squad players.

Everyone is missing key players. 49ers beat Denver yesterday with their 3rd string qb, 4th string rb, and a ton of injuries everywhere else. No one feels sorry for the Eagles.

 

[StreetHawk]

Cooper's not making it to free agency, the Cowboys are going to give him a big deal this off-season. Something like 5 years, 85 million with 40 million guaranteed. Cowboys tried to get Watkins this last season and offered him similar to the Chiefs.. they'll put the cash up for Cooper.

Mike Evans got $55 million in guaranteed money. Probably the target that cooper would eye.

Cooper’s 5th year option is worth $14 million. So they don’t need to do a multi year deal this off season.

Depending on their cap situation they can do either option.

 

[m9]

Mike Evans got $55 million in guaranteed money. Probably the target that cooper would eye.

Cooper’s 5th year option is worth $14 million. So they don’t need to do a multi year deal this off season.

Depending on their cap situation they can do either option.

Evans contract is creatively structured where it was really "only" 38 in guarantees and the rest is guaranteed if he's on the roster in 2020.. which is likely, but no sure thing.

Regardless, Cooper is going to get paid like a top ten WR.

 

[ArchAngel55]

Everyone is missing key players. 49ers beat Denver yesterday with their 3rd string qb, 4th string rb, and a ton of injuries everywhere else. No one feels sorry for the Eagles.

Missed my point. He was playing against an almost practice squad secondary. Not like he put up those #'s vs a stud D.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Missed my point. He was playing against an almost practice squad secondary. Not like he put up those #'s vs a stud D.

No I didn't. It's week 14. Every team has significant holes. Cooper is putting up stats in all his games.

 

[darko]

Been a monster so far.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

The asset managemebt is fine. You need to look at where the Cowboys are. Yeah, they could have kept the pick, drafted a WR, and saved cap money over the next few years. The problem is one of timing.

Even if they drafted a WR this spring, most rookie WRs don't do very much. So a 1st round WR doesn't really contribute anything until the 2020 season, by which point Zeke would be entering his 5th season and might be on the path to breaking down as most heavily used RBs do around that point.

The asset management you need to consider is that they are maximizing what they can do while Zeke is the best in the league.

Also look at 1st round WRs the last 3-4 drafts..not alot of stars yet.

 

[m9]

I think if you're going to criticize the Cowboys about this trade, it should be the fact that WR was an obvious, massive need all off-season and they did very little to address it either through the draft, free agency, or a trade.

So yes, good job getting Cooper and salvaging your season. Bad job to get the point where you're forced to to give up a 1st because you didn't fix the position in the first place.

Also with past 1st round WRs - this next draft is projected to be the deepest WR draft since 2014, so I think you'll see some guys contribute sooner than other draft classes.

 

[Newsworthy]

It's not the best asset management. Yeah, you got a good player, but you had to give up a first rounder to get him, and you're going to have to give him a ginormous contract to keep him. And you kinda don't have any choice but to give him that ginormous contract in order to justify using a first round pick on him; you don't want him to walk in free agency considering what you had to invest to acquire him in the first place.

Of course if he keeps on putting up 10/200/3 statlines, then it's totally worth it. But it's more likely he's something like a 70/1200/8 guy over the course of a season long-term and you're probably paying him $15 million-plus for that.

he's definitely a good player though; I just get that Brandin Cooks vibe from him where he feels like more of a low-end #1 WR than a premium one.

Totally disagree. Cooper is much more talented than Cooks and is just a better all around player hands down.

 

[Voight]

Not sure how it is bad asset management

They traded a 1st they likely would have needed to select a WR to begin with and landed a proven #1 who is producing in Dallas and who they will likely be happy to extend

He isn't going to get a Ginormous contract as you call it either. This isn't Calvin Johnson or Julio Jones here

Also Cooper is only 24 yrs old so the Cowboys are probably more then happy to invest longterm in him rather then draft a WR who would be ? and not much younger then him

There is no reason he can't get the kind of deal Cooks got.