All Time Vancouver Canucks VS. All Time Calgary Flames

[IggyFan12]

In a 7 game series who would win between these 2 long time bitter rivals. One thing for certain is the game would go into game 7 Overtime. I am in no means an expert of the History of the Vancouver Canucks so if I completely screw up their all time roster please don't get upset I didnt do it on purpose. I also have limited knowledge of the Calgary Flames before 89 so it is probably more modern biased. This is my all time rosters for each team:

Rosters:

Canucks

1st Line: LW: Daniel Sedin C:Henrik Sedin RW: Pavel Bure
2nd Line: LW: Markus Naslund C: Trevor Linden RW: Todd Bertuzzi
3rd Line: LW: Petri Skriko C: Brendan Morrison RW: Stan Smyl
4th Line: LW. Matt Cooke C: Mark Messier (No totally just joking) Ryan Kesler RW: Gino Odjik

Defence:
1st Pair: Harold Snepits Mattias Ohlund
2nd Pair: Jyrki Lumme Dennis Kearns
3rd Pair: Dana Murzyn Sami Salo

Goalies:
Roberto Luongo (Starter)
Kirk McLean (Back up)
Richard Brodeur (Third String)

Head Coach: Alain Vigneault Asstat Quinn & Roger Nillson

Calgary Flames:
1st Line: LW: Gary Roberts C: Joe Nieuwendyk RW: Jarome Iginla
2nd Line: LW: Doug Gilmore C: Kent Nilsson RW: Theo Fleury
3rd Line: LW: Jim Peplinsky C: Joel Otto RW: Lanny McDonald
4th Line: LW: Paul Ranheim C: Craig Conroy RW: Hakan Loob
(Just noticed this but those are probably top 5 maybe higher best starting 4 Right Wingers on any all time team)

Defence:
1st Pair: Al MacInnis Gary Suter
2nd Pair: Robyn Regehr Jamie Macoun
3rd Pair: Paul Reinhart Mark Giordano (Really Struggled to find the 6th Defenceman for the Flames. There are probably better players suited I will change if someone presents a good argument)

Goalies:

Mikka Kiprusoff (Starter)
Mike Vernon(Back up)
Reggie Lemelin (Third String)

Head Coach: Badger Bob Johnson Assistants: Terry Crisp & Daryl Sutter

I did my best to produce the teams. I am curious to see who people pick. Also if people want to post potential power play and penalty kill units that could help sway voters one way or another as well.

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[vadim sharifijanov]

here's my best shot at the two lineups. i tried to make lines that would actually work, and put together players who have chemistry.

e.g., of course the first impulse is to put kesler between naslund and bertuzzi, but they wouldn't work well with a puck carrying, shooting center. malhotra may not have the offensive upside, but he would ably handle the defensive duties that morrison used to take on during the WCE days.

sedin ('11) sedin ('11) linden ('94)*
mogilny ('96) larionov ('92) bure ('94)
naslund ('03) malhotra ('10, pre-eye injury obviously) bertuzzi ('03)
gelinas ('97) kesler ('11) burrows ('10, pre shoulder injury)

edler ('11) ehrhoff ('11)
reinhart ('90) salo ('07)
ohlund ('00, pre eye-injury) mitchell ('06)

luongo ('06)
mclean ('94)

alternates: jovanovski ('03), diduck ('94), smyl ('82), ronning ('91), either adams or courtnall (both '94), brodeur ('82)

* i was very tempted to put a young cam neely on the top line with the sedins. sure, he hardly played when he was on the canucks, but he did have the talent, seeing as how he scored 35 goals as soon as he left. even pre-prime, he is exactly the right player for that line. forechecks, hard on the boards, can get a shot of really quickly, can play in front of the net, gets the other team off their game. like a big, super burrows. hard to go wrong with '94 linden though, even if i have my doubts that he has the hockey sense necessary to play with hank and dan.


mullen ('89) gilmour ('89) iginla ('92)
loob ('88) nieuwendyk ('88) makarov ('90)
roberts ('92) nilsson ('81) mcdonald ('83)
tonelli ('86, came over at the trade deadline) otto ('89) fleury ('91)

macinnis ('89) macoun ('89)
suter ('88) mccrimmon ('88)
reinhart ('85) regehr ('04)

kiprusoff ('04)
vernon ('89)

spares: ramage ('89), phaneuf ('08), peplinski ('86), conroy ('02), bullard ('88), lemelin ('84)

** not that this team needs another scoring RW, but brett hull was on a 50 goal pace in his rookie season (tied with nieuwendyk) before crisp stabled his butt to the bench, then traded him to the blues.


even just a couple of years ago, you'd say calgary's all-time team sweeps vancouver's. at least now with the emergence of the sedins, kesler, edler, and others, it's a series.

 

[WilliamRanford]

What, no pan-western canadian challenge?

All-time Oilers

'89 Tikkanen - '84 Gretzky - '85 Kurri
'88 Simpson - '90 Messier - '86 Anderson
'01 Smyth - '96 Weight - '06 Hemsky
'10 Penner - '06 Horcoff - '99 Guerin
'94 Arnott

'86 Coffey - '83 Huddy
'84 Lowe - '06 Pronger
'09 Souray - '02 J. Smith
'87 Ruotsalainen

'88 Fuhr
'97 Joseph
'90 Ranford


'89 Tikkanen 67 31 47 78
'84 Gretzky 74 87 118 205
'85 Kurri 73 71 64 135
'88 Simpson 80 56 34 90
'90 Messier 79 45 84 129
'86 Anderson 72 54 48 102
'01 Smyth 82 31 39 70
'96 Weight 82 25 79 104
'08 Hemsky 74 20 51 71
'10 Penner 82 32 31 63
'06 Horcoff 79 22 51 73
'99 Guerin 80 30 34 64
'94 Arnott 78 33 35 68

'86 Coffey 79 48 90 138 +61
'83 Huddy 76 20 37 57 +62
'84 Lowe 80 4 42 46 +37
'06 Pronger 80 12 44 56 +2
'09 Souray 81 23 30 53 +1
'02 J. Smith 74 5 13 18 +14
'87 Ruotsalainen 16 5 8 13 +8

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

What, no pan-western canadian challenge?

All-time Oilers

'89 Tikkanen - '84 Gretzky - '85 Kurri
'88 Simpson - '90 Messier - '86 Anderson
'01 Smyth - '96 Weight - '06 Hemsky
'10 Penner - '06 Horcoff - '99 Guerin
'94 Arnott

'86 Coffey - '83 Huddy
'84 Lowe - '06 Pronger
'09 Souray - '02 J. Smith
'87 Ruotsalainen

'88 Fuhr
'97 Joseph
'90 Ranford


'89 Tikkanen 67 31 47 78
'84 Gretzky 74 87 118 205
'85 Kurri 73 71 64 135
'88 Simpson 80 56 34 90
'90 Messier 79 45 84 129
'86 Anderson 72 54 48 102
'01 Smyth 82 31 39 70
'96 Weight 82 25 79 104
'08 Hemsky 74 20 51 71
'10 Penner 82 32 31 63
'06 Horcoff 79 22 51 73
'99 Guerin 80 30 34 64
'94 Arnott 78 33 35 68

'86 Coffey 79 48 90 138 +61
'83 Huddy 76 20 37 57 +62
'84 Lowe 80 4 42 46 +37
'06 Pronger 80 12 44 56 +2
'09 Souray 81 23 30 53 +1
'02 J. Smith 74 5 13 18 +14
'87 Ruotsalainen 16 5 8 13 +8

that's not fair and you know it.

though if it were me, i'd do a shutdown line with macT, peca, and someone else (bucky? damphousse? not sure who the checking LW from the dynasty years was-- krusher or hunter?)

and a smith/smith shutdown pairing would be pretty scary. no forward would go within ten feet of fuhr.

 

[IggyFan12]

Lol ya the Oilers team might do okay (I dont think 2 many non-original 6 teams could beat them. The only other non-original 6 team to match the offensive fire power may be the Penguins with Mario, Jagr, Crosby, Malkin, Mullen, Francis...)

I think this series would be pretty close considering the last 3 times they played each other in the playoffs (once a decade) its been decided in Overtime of Game 7.

Realized that I forgot Joey Mullen on the Flames team. Probably replace Paul Ranheim with Mullen.

 

[Forever27]

I voted for the Canucks because I'm a Canucks fan.

 

[timekeep]

Flames would take this series easily, not much grit in that Canucks lineup and Flames D is way better.

 

[JuniorNelson]

here's my best shot at the two lineups. i tried to make lines that would actually work, and put together players who have chemistry.

e.g., of course the first impulse is to put kesler between naslund and bertuzzi, but they wouldn't work well with a puck carrying, shooting center. malhotra may not have the offensive upside, but he would ably handle the defensive duties that morrison used to take on during the WCE days.

sedin ('11) sedin ('11) linden ('94)*
mogilny ('96) larionov ('92) bure ('94)
naslund ('03) malhotra ('10, pre-eye injury obviously) bertuzzi ('03)
gelinas ('97) kesler ('11) burrows ('10, pre shoulder injury)

edler ('11) ehrhoff ('11)
reinhart ('90) salo ('07)
ohlund ('00, pre eye-injury) mitchell ('06)

luongo ('06)
mclean ('94)

alternates: jovanovski ('03), diduck ('94), smyl ('82), ronning ('91), either adams or courtnall (both '94), brodeur ('82)

* i was very tempted to put a young cam neely on the top line with the sedins. sure, he hardly played when he was on the canucks, but he did have the talent, seeing as how he scored 35 goals as soon as he left. even pre-prime, he is exactly the right player for that line. forechecks, hard on the boards, can get a shot of really quickly, can play in front of the net, gets the other team off their game. like a big, super burrows. hard to go wrong with '94 linden though, even if i have my doubts that he has the hockey sense necessary to play with hank and dan.


mullen ('89) gilmour ('89) iginla ('92)
loob ('88) nieuwendyk ('88) makarov ('90)
roberts ('92) nilsson ('81) mcdonald ('83)
tonelli ('86, came over at the trade deadline) otto ('89) fleury ('91)

macinnis ('89) macoun ('89)
suter ('88) mccrimmon ('88)
reinhart ('85) regehr ('04)

kiprusoff ('04)
vernon ('89)

spares: ramage ('89), phaneuf ('08), peplinski ('86), conroy ('02), bullard ('88), lemelin ('84)

** not that this team needs another scoring RW, but brett hull was on a 50 goal pace in his rookie season (tied with nieuwendyk) before crisp stabled his butt to the bench, then traded him to the blues.


even just a couple of years ago, you'd say calgary's all-time team sweeps vancouver's. at least now with the emergence of the sedins, kesler, edler, and others, it's a series.

Great line-ups. Lots of insights. Awesome.

 

[tony d]

Calgary easily.

 

[coo1beans]

Lol ya the Oilers team might do okay (I dont think 2 many non-original 6 teams could beat them. The only other non-original 6 team to match the offensive fire power may be the Penguins with Mario, Jagr, Crosby, Malkin, Mullen, Francis...)

I think this series would be pretty close considering the last 3 times they played each other in the playoffs (once a decade) its been decided in Overtime of Game 7.

Realized that I forgot Joey Mullen on the Flames team. Probably replace Paul Ranheim with Mullen.

There's an islander team with enough fire power to give them a run for their money too.

 

[coo1beans]

I'd plug peter nedved somewhere into the nucks as well

 

[BenchBrawl]

Calgary would teach them a playoff hockey lesson.

 

[Unaffiliated]

I voted for the Canucks because I'm a Canucks fan.

you're the only one who did

 

[Big Phil]

No offense, but in a playoff series I want Kirk McLean in there over Luongo. Yeah, yeah over a full season (and career) Luongo will prove to have been the better goalie if he hasn't already but he's a poor playoff goalie where as McLean played better than he did under pressure. Give me McLean's 1994 postseason over anything Luongo has ever done. Honestly, how often do you have to lay an egg in the 2nd round of the playoffs?

That being said, Calgary still wins this one either way. If the 1989 version of Vernon shows up I'll take him plus a ton of the big game players from the 1980s and 1990s on the Flames - and then Iginla. Hard to imagine the Canucks having the depth to overcome that