All-time teams for your country.....

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Kugel said:
who is on the all-time team of yur fav country....who is canada's goalie? do u prefer the old-time russian or the new generation of flashy ones?


Do you want us to make a fantasy team composed of the best players from our country?

Or do you want us to pick the best real team that our country has actually put together?
 

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If it is a fantasy team, then:

Bobby Hull - Wayne Gretzky - Gordie Howe
Mario Lemieux - Phil Esposito - Maurice Richard
Howie Morenz - Jean Beliveau - Guy Lafleur
Mark Messier - Stan Mikita - Mike Bossy
EXTRAS : Ted Lindsay, Bobby Clarke, Frank Mahovlich

Bobby Orr - Eddie Shore
Raymound Bourque - Doug Harvey
Red Kelly - Denis Potvin
EXTRAS : Larry Robinson, Paul Coffey

Patrick Roy
Terry Sawchuk
EXTRAS : Jacques Plante
 

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As for real team, then I would say Team Canada at the 1987 Canada Cup.

I think that is the greatest hockey team ever put together.
 

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jcs_1983_shannonman said:
If it is a fantasy team, then:

Bobby Hull - Wayne Gretzky - Gordie Howe
Mario Lemieux - Phil Esposito - Maurice Richard
Howie Morenz - Jean Beliveau - Guy Lafleur
Mark Messier - Stan Mikita - Mike Bossy
EXTRAS : Ted Lindsay, Bobby Clarke, Frank Mahovlich

Bobby Orr - Eddie Shore
Raymound Bourque - Doug Harvey
Red Kelly - Denis Potvin
EXTRAS : Larry Robinson, Paul Coffey

Patrick Roy
Terry Sawchuk
EXTRAS : Jacques Plante

IMO This team would never lose a single game.
 

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jcs_1983_shannonman said:
As for real team, then I would say Team Canada at the 1987 Canada Cup.

I think that is the greatest hockey team ever put together.

I'd say either the '72 Canadian team or the '79 Soviet National team were the best.
 

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jcs_1983_shannonman said:
As for real team, then I would say Team Canada at the 1987 Canada Cup.

I think that is the greatest hockey team ever put together.
Can you post the players who played for that team? I would like to know, since I was born the year after that :p:
 

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I'd say either the '72 Canadian team or the '79 Soviet National team were the best.

I'll take the 87 Canada Cup team over the 72 Summit Series team.

In 72 they were missing Orr and Hull two of the biggest stars in the game.

In 87 you had the Gretzky, Lemieux, Messier, Bourque, and Coffey in the prime of their careers.
 

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19bruins19 said:
Can you post the players who played for that team? I would like to know, since I was born the year after that :p:


Forwards:
Wayne Gretzky
Mario Lemieux
Mark Messier
Dale Hawerchuk
Doug Gilmour
Rick Tocchet
Glenn Anderson
Michel Goulet
Brent Sutter
Mike Gartner
Brian Propp
Kevin Dineen
Claude Lemieux

Defensemen:
Raymond Bourque
Paul Coffey
Larry Murphy
Doug Crossman
James Patrick
Craig Hartsburg
Normand Rochefort

Goaltenders:
Grant Fuhr
Ron Hextall
Kelly Hrudey
 

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John Flyers Fan said:
I'll take the 87 Canada Cup team over the 72 Summit Series team.

In 72 they were missing Orr and Hull two of the biggest stars in the game.

In 87 you had the Gretzky, Lemieux, Messier, Bourque, and Coffey in the prime of their careers.


Exactly.

Not to mention the players who had flown off to the WHA were not eligible to play.
 

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19bruins19 said:
Can you post the players who played for that team? I would like to know, since I was born the year after that :p:

Fuhr
Hextall
Hrudey

Doug Crossman
Craig Hartsburg
Normand Rochefort
James Patrick
Ray Bourque
Larry Murphy
Paul Coffey

Glenn Anderson
Dale Hawerchuk
Mark Messier
Mike Gartner
Kevin Dineen
Michel Goulet
Brent Sutter
Rick Tocchet
Brian Propp
Doug Gilmour
Claude Lemieux
Mario Lemieux
Wayne Gretzky


Tournament MVP - Wayne Gretzky

All tourney Team

Fuhr
Bourque
Fetisov
Gretzky
Lemieux
Krutov

Leading scorers - 9 games played

Gretzky 3-18-21
Lemieux 11-7-18
Makarov 7-8-15
Krutov 7-7-14
Bykov 2-7-9
Bourque 2-6-8


For my money the Final between Canada & Soviets were the best hockey ever played.

6-5 OT
6-5 2OT
6-5
 

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John Flyers Fan said:
I'll take the 87 Canada Cup team over the 72 Summit Series team.

In 72 they were missing Orr and Hull two of the biggest stars in the game.

In 87 you had the Gretzky, Lemieux, Messier, Bourque, and Coffey in the prime of their careers.

On paper I'd agree and say the '87 team is better. But in terms of performance, I'd have to go with the '72 team.

The '87 Canadians barely beat a very mediocre Soviet team in the finals and even tied the Czechs once. In fact, apart from the "Green Unit", that '87 squad was not that good (compared to past Soviet teams), yet still managed play the Canadians evenly.
If the '72 Canadians could beat the '72 Soviets, they'd have no problem with the '87 Soviet squad.
JMHO
 

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jcs_1983_shannonman said:
If it is a fantasy team, then:

Bobby Hull - Wayne Gretzky - Gordie Howe
Mario Lemieux - Phil Esposito - Maurice Richard
Howie Morenz - Jean Beliveau - Guy Lafleur
Mark Messier - Stan Mikita - Mike Bossy
EXTRAS : Ted Lindsay, Bobby Clarke, Frank Mahovlich

Bobby Orr - Eddie Shore
Raymound Bourque - Doug Harvey
Red Kelly - Denis Potvin
EXTRAS : Larry Robinson, Paul Coffey

Patrick Roy
Terry Sawchuk
EXTRAS : Jacques Plante

I like the picks, only one minor change for me; i would just switch Hull and Lemieux, seeing as the Gretzky/Lemieux connection was so great in 87 and we can assume they would have some chemistry.

Also i would take out Mahovolic and put in Yzerman at his prime as a spare, but again its just nitpicking.
 

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i wish i knew enough about russian hockey talent throughouth history.........unfortunately i don't.


Also it's very hard to compare russian players to canadian because they played in such different surroundings.

I've heard some people say that Khalarmov's (the guy who's ankle clarke broke) skating ability, scoring instincts, etc exceeded even gretzky's.......and in terms of passing instinct and peripheral visions some people have said larionov had gretzky topped.

I couldn't honestly say..........


In the same vein it's very hard to compare Tretiak to roy, sawchuk, etc
 

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canucks666 said:
i wish i knew enough about russian hockey talent throughouth history.........unfortunately i don't.


Also it's very hard to compare russian players to canadian because they played in such different surroundings.

I've heard some people say that Khalarmov's (the guy who's ankle clarke broke) skating ability, scoring instincts, etc exceeded even gretzky's.......and in terms of passing instinct and peripheral visions some people have said larionov had gretzky topped.

I couldn't honestly say..........


In the same vein it's very hard to compare Tretiak to roy, sawchuk, etc


I have heard that Kharlamov's ability exceeded everyone but Gretzky's and Lemieux's.

But yes, the Russians would be loaded if they made an all-time team.

I don't much abiout their goaltending other than Tretiak and the current NHLer's.

I don't know much about their defense either other than Fetisov, Kasatanov, and the current NHLer's.

But some of their forwards are legendary internationally.

You could form their forward lines based on their all-decade top lines:

1970's line: Mikhalov - Petrov - Kharlamov
1980's line: Krutov - Larionov - Makarov
1990's line: Mogilny - Fedorov - Bure

Then their next line would be merely speculative, with their big star from the 50's and 60's centering it:

2000's line: Kovalchuk - Firsov - Ovechkin


That is a lot of talent.
 

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jcs_1983_shannonman said:
1970's line: Mikhalov - Petrov - Kharlamov
1980's line: Krutov - Larionov - Makarov
1990's line: Mogilny - Fedorov - Bure
2000's line: Kovalchuk - Firsov - Ovechkin
Now we are talking hockey players...

:handclap: :bow:
 

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And don't forget ... Vsevolod Bobrov. He played in the 1950s and coached in the 60s and 70s.
This guy was unbelievable because not only he was the top Soviet scorer in ice hockey, but he was also the country's best soccer player!!! :lol
 

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I'd have to agree. It was amazing hockey. So far from the game we see now, both in style and level.

I think I'm gonna buy it @ Amazon.ca

Did anyone buy those tapes? Are these the full 3 games?

>>> LINK <<<
 

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wilka91 said:
I think I'm gonna buy it @ Amazon.ca

Did anyone buy those tapes? Are these the full 3 games?

>>> LINK <<<

Yes, they are the full games. I own them all on tape from the actual games not bought. My tapes are getting a bit worn, I'm hoping they come out on DVD real soon.
 

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jcs_1983_shannonman said:
I have heard that Kharlamov's ability exceeded everyone but Gretzky's and Lemieux's.

But yes, the Russians would be loaded if they made an all-time team.

I don't much abiout their goaltending other than Tretiak and the current NHLer's.

I don't know much about their defense either other than Fetisov, Kasatanov, and the current NHLer's.

But some of their forwards are legendary internationally.

You could form their forward lines based on their all-decade top lines:

1970's line: Mikhalov - Petrov - Kharlamov
1980's line: Krutov - Larionov - Makarov
1990's line: Mogilny - Fedorov - Bure

Then their next line would be merely speculative, with their big star from the 50's and 60's centering it:

2000's line: Kovalchuk - Firsov - Ovechkin


That is a lot of talent.


Here is my soviet/russian team:

Yakushev-Starshinov-Firsov
Kharlamov-Petrov-Mikhailov
Krutov-Maltsev-Makarov
Bure-Fedorov-Mogilny
 
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Kronblom said:
"NOW" we are talking hockey players...
:handclap: :bow:

And we weren't talking hockey players with regards to Gretzky, Hull, Howe, Lemieux, Esposito, Richard, Morenz, Beliveau, Lafleur, Messier, Mikita, Bossy, Lindsay, Clarke, Mahovlich, Orr, Shore, Bourque, Harvey, Kelly, Potvin, Robinson, Coffey, Roy, Sawchuck, Plante????
 

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John Flyers Fan said:
Yes, they are the full games. I own them all on tape from the actual games not bought. My tapes are getting a bit worn, I'm hoping they come out on DVD real soon.

No, "Blades of Summer" does not include the full games. It's pretty much an hour-long highlight video of the tournament, that was put out by Labatt's I believe. (I own it)

It's still a pretty good video (it focusses mainly on Canada, though it does show highlights from other round-robin and elimination games). But as far as I know the actual games have not been commercially released on video. (Unlike the '72 series)
 
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