All-time franchise teams

Hurricane Hugo

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nice roster. but no carney?

No Keith Carney? I implore you to re-assess the '03 Cup run (the first time in team history the Ducks weren't a laughingstock) and the role he played on that team. Certainly enough to displace Ruslan Salei, if not earn a spot in your top four.

I had a feeling I had forgotten someone. I made those lists a while back in kind of a rush so I guess I just overlooked him.
 

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from the all-time canucks vs. all-time flames thread:

Vancouver Canucks

Courtnall-Linden-Bure
Naslund-Morrison-Bertuzzi
Sedin-Sedin-Tanti
Boudrias-Gradin-Smyl

Don't worry about line order. Either of those four lines, could be top lines (the Sedins should probably get the top spot though, for peak).

Extras could be: Kesler, Adams, Ronning

Ohlund-Jovanovski
Lidster-Lumme
Snepsts-Salo

Extras could be: Kearns, Babych, Edler, Bieksa, Butcher

McLean
Luongo
Brodeur

I think Luongo is really close to McLean. I put McLean ahead because of his playoff performance.

Calgary Flames

Fleury-Nilsson-Iginla
Roberts-Nieuwendyk-Makarov
Loob-Gilmour-Mullen
Lysiak-Otto-McDonald

Yes, I realize Fleury isn't a LW.

Extras could be: Vail, Chouinard, Peplinski

MacInnis-Macoun
Suter-Reinhart
Regehr-Phaneuf

Kiprusoff
Vernon

Just for fun/personal preference:

Ron Francis - Mario Lemieux - Jaromir Jagr
Evgeni Malkin - Sidney Crosby - Mark Recchi
Rick Tocchet - Jordan Staal - Kevin Stevens
Alexei Kovalev - Robert Lang - Martin Straka
Petr Nedved - Bryan Trottier - Joey Mullen
Ryan Malone - Jan Hrdina - Aleksey Morozov
(Jay Caufield)

Paul Coffey - Larry Murphy
Kris Letang - Sergei Gonchar
Ulf Samuelsson - Darius Kasparitis
Brooks Orpik - Sergei Zubov
Janne Laukkanen - Jiri Slegr

Tom Barrasso
Marc-Andre Fleury
Johan Hedberg

Pittsburgh Penguins

Stevens-Lemieux-Jagr
Malkin-Crosby-Kehoe/Kovalev
Straka-Francis-Kehoe/Kovalev
MacDonald-Apps-Pronovost

Extras could be: Schock, Errey

Coffey-Murphy
Gonchar-Carlyle
Burrows-Stackhouse

Extras could be: Samuelsson, Orpik, Letang, Kasparaitis

Barrasso
Fleury

St. Louis Blues

Brendan Shanahan-Adam Oates-Brett Hull
Keith Tkachuk-Bernie Federko-Joe Mullen
Garry Unger-Doug Gilmour-Wayne Babych
Pavol Demitra-Red Berenson-Scott Young

I know there are a few guys out of position, but it became difficult to go solely off position. The Blues have a ton of great centers, but very little on the wings beyond the top two lines. I couldn't leave Unger or Berenson off, period.

Shanahan-Oates-Hull
Sutter-Federko-Mullen
Tkachuk-Berenson-Demitra
Pettersson-Unger-Babych

Extras could be: Patey, Gilmour, Turgeon, Young

Gilmour and Turgeon are probably better choices than Pettersson and Babych.

Chris Pronger-Al MacInnis
Bob Plager-Barclay Plager
Rob Ramage-Murray Baron

This is where it gets fun. The top four are obvious. Then it gets a little interesting. Still, that's a pretty damn good defense. Imagine if they hadn't lost Scott Stevens as compensation. Although, he likely would have taken MacInnis' spot, because there's no way St. Louis deals for MacInnis if they have Stevens.

Pronger-Ramage
MacInnis-Barclay Plager
Brown-Roberts

Extras could be: Bob Plager, Baron, Jackman

I had trouble here. I tried to "balance" the pairings as best I could.

Curtis Joseph
Mike Liut

I would have Joseph starting over Liut. Liut may have been a First Team All-Star in St. Louis, but Joseph was better than he was for longer. It's not Joseph's fault he played in St. Louis during a time when Roy and Belfour had a stranglehold on the Vezina and the top two all-star spots. From 1992-1994, Joseph was as good as they came.

I would have to go with Liut, then Jospeh, then Hall

Philadelphia Flyers

Bill Barber-Bobby Clarke-Reggie Leach
John Leclair-Eric Lindros-Mark Recchi
Brian Propp-Rick Macleish-Tim Kerr
Simon Gagne-Rod Brind'Amour-Gary Dornhoefer

Mark Howe-Eric Desjardins
Ed Van Impe-Moose Dupont
Chris Therien-J. Watson

Bernie Parent
Ron Hextall

Philadelphia Flyers

Barber-Clarke-Leach
LeClair-Lindros-Recchi
Propp-MacLeish-Kerr
Gagne-Brind'Amour-Tocchet

Extras could be: Poulin, Dornhoefer, Richards, Carter

Howe-McCrimmon
Joe Watson-Desjardins
Dupont-Jimmy Watson

Extras could be: Van Impe, Bladon, Therien, McGillis, Wilson

Parent
Hextall

San Jose Sharks

Patrick Marleau-Joe Thornton-Owen Nolan
Marco Sturm-Vincent Damphousse-Teemu Selanne
Jeff Freisen-Igor Larionov-Jonathan Cheechoo
Ray Whitney-Mike Ricci-Jeff Odgers

Scott Hannan-Dan Boyle
Mike Rathje-Sandis Ozolinsh
Marcus Ragnarsson-Bryan Marchment

Evgeni Nabokov
Arturs Irbe

San Jose Sharks

Marleau-Thornton-Heatley/Cheechoo
Friesen-Damphousse-Nolan
Michalek-Pavelski/Larionov-Clowe
Sturm-Ricci-Sundstrom
Setoguchi-Larionov/Pavelski-Cheechoo/Heatley

Too hard to choose, so I made five lines. I agree with what you said about Larionov, and I am leaning toward putting him on the "third" line, but I'm still unsure.

Vlasic-Boyle
Hannan-Stuart
Ragnarsson-Rathje
McLaren-Ozolinsh

I'm pretty sure about the three pairings, but I decided to include a fourth as well. Marchment would be my 9th defenceman here, if I had one.

Nabokov
Irbe

Leafs

Jackson Apps Conacher
F. Mahovlich Sittler Vaive
Watson Kennedy A. Bailey
Duff Keon McDonald

Clancy Horton
Salming Stanley
Baun Horner

Broda
Bower

Forwards

Frank Mahovlich - Syl Apps - Charlie Conacher
Busher Jackson - Mats Sundin - Rick Vaive
Ted Kennedy - Dave Keon - Lanny McDonald
Wendel Clark - Darryl Sittler - George Armstrong

Extra forward: Doug Gilmour.

Honourable Mention: Norm Ullman, Ron Ellis, Bob Pulford.

Defencemen

Borje Salming - King Clancy
Tim Horton - Allen Stanley
Tomas Kaberle - Bill Barilko

Extra defenceman: Ian Turnbull.

Honourable mention: Bob Baun, Red Horner.

Goaltenders

Turk Broda
Johnny Bower

Extra goaltender: Harry Lumley.

Honourable mention: Ed Belfour.

Toronto Maple Leafs

Jackson-Primeau-Conacher
Smith-Kennedy-Dye
Mahovlich-Keon-Sittler
Sundin-Apps-Drillon

Extras could be: Armstrong, Gilmour, Ellis, McDonald, Vaive, Pulford

Tough choices here. This is one of the few forward lineups that I am really unsure about. I didn't follow by positions either, though I tried when I could.

Salming-Cameron
Clancy-Day
Horton-Stanley

Extras could be: Baun, Kaberle, Brewer

Broda
Bower
Potvin

Potvin is not "for sure" by any means, and both Broda and Bower are far above him. After those two, there is a huge mix of goalies that could take that third spot.

Based on what happened in Ottawa:

Heatley-Spezza-Alfredsson
Arvedson-Yashin-Hossa
Schaefer-Bonk-Mceachern
Kelly-Fisher-Havlat

Redden-Chara
Phillips-Mezaros
York-Rachunek

Lalime
Emery

Ottawa Senators

Heatley-Spezza-Alfredsson
Havlat-Yashin-Hossa
Arvedson-Bonk-McEachern
Vermette-Fisher-Kelly

Extras could be: Dackell, Neil, Schaefer, Daigle

Chara-Phillips
Redden-Volchenkov
York-Duchesne

I would be okay with taking out Duchesne for any of: Meszaros, Kravchuk, Laukkanen.

Lalime
Tugnutt
Emery

Dallas Stars

Jere Lehtinen - Mike Modano - Brett Hull
Brenden Morrow - Joe Nieuwendyk - Jamie Langenbrunner
Pat Verbeek - Guy Carbonneau - Mike Keane
Loui Eriksson - Brad Richards - Steve Ott
Mike Ribeiro - Grant Marshall

Sergei Zubov - Derian Hatcher
Darryl Sydor - Richard Matvichuk
Stephane Robidas - Craig Ludwig
Philippe Boucher

Ed Belfour
Marty Turco​

Dallas Stars/Minnesota North Stars

Gagner-Modano-Hull
Bellows-Broten-Ciccarelli
Morrow-Nieuwendyk-Lehtinen
Payne-Smith-Goldsworthy

Extras could be: Young, Langenbrunner, Grant

Zubov-Sydor
Hatcher-Matvichuk
Hartsburg-Giles

Extras could be: Ludwig, Robidas, Maxwell, Boucher

Belfour
Turco
 

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Not so sure I can agree with you here.
Two 2nd Team All-Star Selections as a RW vs. Three 1st's and a Second as a D-Man. Seems like a pretty significant difference. Also, I would use 29-30, as an exception, instead of the "rule". Kind of like the war years, or 92-93, wasn't the 29-30 season a big year for scoring? Correct me if I'm wrong. Also, did he not play most of his career as a defenceman anyway?
His first ten years he was a forward, his second ten years he was a defenseman.

29-30 the rules changed to allow forward passes into the offensive zone. The "Dynamite" Line had all 3 forwards in the top 10 in scoring for the NHL that season.


I try not to base on position, and in this case, I put him as a LW, which isn't a huge deal. IMO, he is a better choice there than other LWs (like Marcotte) who could slot in there.[/Qoute]
I based it on the natural position they mostly played at.


gree with you there, and I respect Marcotte, which is why it was hard to keep him off. However, who would I get rid of for him? Once O'Reilly gets moved over to RW, I have to drop a RW, so I guess Hodge would be the one to go. How about this?

Bucyk-Esposito-Middleton
Cashman-Oates-Neely
Dumart-Schmidt-Bauer
Marcotte-Cowley-O'Reilly
Looks more "realistic"

Boivin is a weak induction IMO. Crawford is probably not the best fit there, but I would rather take him out and put in Hitchman.
I'm leaning towards this.....I still can't believe I left Hitchman off.

But, is Labine a better choice than any of the guys on the team, or even substitutes like Hodge, or McNab. I would have them over him. Also, what about Westfall? Was he a RW or D for most of his time in Boston?
Both Labine and MacKell are original 6 guys. They had the "Bruins" spirit, ie...tough players who could score on a regular basis.

Labine was the equivalent of a Ted Lindsey for the Bruins of this era....and absolute beast to play against.

MacKell had the same grit and was also an excellent playoff performer.

McNab was a very good center, it was hard for me to leave him off, but he and Hodge were both in a highflying/highscoring era. I tend to side with hardnosed players.

Ed Westfall was more a forward and a defenseman in a pinch...he was also used heavily in SH situations. In his best year statistically, 70-71,(25/34/59 +58, 7 SH goals) he was the 3rd line RWer behind Hodge and Johnny "Pie" McKenzie, (another of my favorite Bruins).

The Bruins left Westfall exposed in the 72 draft and he was picked up by the Islanders. At the time the B's had a multitude of RWers; Westfall, McKenzie (who jumped to the WHA), Hodge, Doug Roberts, Shakey Walton (also jumped to the WHA), Reggie Leach (who was traded to the Seals) and O'Reilly on the roster.

Westfall's 3rd line spot was taken over by the immortal Fred O'Donnell.

The WHA totally broke up what could've been a possible dynasty....they also lost Sanderson for a spell, (who proceeded to use the money he got to drink himself into almost oblivion), Gerry Cheevers and Teddie Green, and traded Awrey, Rick Smith and Fred Stanfield away.

Others are much more deserving than him on Defence. As you know, the defensive depth is utterly insane.
Like I said, I go with the hardnosed players and Egan was also very good in the scoring department also.

There were some very good D-men that were left off....Teddie Green, Awrey, Dallas Smith, Flash Hollett, Bob Armstrong, Sweeney, Milbury, O'Connel, etc..

I think it's a shame to disclude him. Put Clapper on D, and Bauer gets a spot.
A tough quandry to say the least.
 

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Ottawa Senators - St. Louis Eagles (1917-35)

Cy "The Cornwall Colt" Denneny -- Frank "The Flying Dutchman" Nighbor -- Harry "Punch" Broadbent
Hec "Hurricane Hec" Kilrea -- Joe Lamb -- Jack Darragh
Bill Touhey -- Syd Howe -- Frank "The Slumbering Romeo" Finnigan
Milt Halliday -- Jack J. "The Squire Of Napanee" Adams -- Reginald "Hooley" Smith

George "Buck" Boucher -- Francis "King" Clancy
Eddie Gerard -- Sprague "The Big Train" Cleghorn
Harry "Cammie" Cameron -- Alex "Boots" Smith
Lionel "Hitch" Hitchman

Clint "Praying Bennie" Benedict
Alex "The Ottawa Fireman" Connell
Bill Beveridge


Quebec Bulldogs - Hamilton Tigers (1919-25)

Redvers "Red" Green -- Joe "Phantom" Malone -- Wilf "Shorty" Green
Edmond Bouchard -- Billy "Yonkers Billy" Burch -- Carol "Cully" Wilson
Amos "Butch" Arbour -- Mickey "Port" Roach -- George Carey
Jack Mcdonald -- Corbett "Corb" Denneny -- Tom "Flash" Mccarthy

Ken "Pepper Kid" Randall -- Goldie "The Cinnamon Bearcat" Prodgers
Leo Sr. Reise -- Harry "Big Mum" Mummery
Joe Matte -- Everard "Eddie" Carpenter
Jesse "Jess" Spring

Jake "Jumpin' Jakie" Forbes
Howie "Holes" Lockhart
Frank Brophy


New York Americans - Brooklyn Americans (1925-42)

David "Sweeney" Schriner -- Billy "Yonkers Billy" Burch -- Lorne Carr
Charley "Rabbit" Mcveigh -- Art Chapman -- Eddie "Pee Wee" Wiseman
Johnny "Jake" Sheppard -- Norman "Normie" Himes -- Charlie "Big Blue Bomber" Conacher
John "Long John" Sorrell -- Nels "Old Poison" Stewart -- Eddie "Shanty" Burke

Tom "Cowboy" Anderson -- Mervyn "Red" Dutton
Bill Brydge -- Allan Murray
Lionel "The Big Train" Conacher -- Joe "Bullet Joe" Simpson
Pat "Box-Car" Egan

Roy "Shrimp" Worters
Earl Robertson
Joe "Red Light" Miller


Montreal Maroons (1924-38)

Lawrence "Baldy" Northcott -- Nels "Old Poison" Stewart -- Jimmy Ward
Albert "Babe" Siebert -- Reginald "Hooley" Smith -- Earl Robinson
Dave Trottier -- Russ "Beaver" Blinco -- Harry "Punch" Broadbent
Herb Cain -- Meryn "Bill" Phillips -- August "Gus" Marker
Bob Gracie

Lionel "The Big Train" Conacher -- Duncan "Dunc" Munro
Cy "Cyclone" Wentworth -- Reg "Old Sarge" Noble
Stewart "Stew" Evans -- Mervyn "Red" Dutton

Clint "Praying Bennie" Benedict
Alex "The Ottawa Fireman" Connell
James "Flat" Walsh


Pittsburgh Pirates - Philadelphia Quakers (1925-31)

Gerry Lowery -- Hibbert "Hib" Milks -- Harry "Howl" Darragh
Baldy "The Cork Screw" Cotton -- Frank Frederickson -- Herb "Monkey" Drury
Francis "Duke" Mccurry -- Syd Howe -- Wilfred "Tex" White
Jim "Bud" Jarvis -- Ogilvie "Odie" Cleghorn -- Wally Kilrea
Ernest "Ty" Arbour

Rodger Smith -- John Mckinnon
Bert "Mac" Mccaffrey -- Jesse "Jess" Spring
Lionel "The Big Train" Conacher -- Martin "Marty" Burke

Roy "Shrimp" Worters
Joe "Red Light" Miller
Wilf "Petch" Cude


Oakland Seals - California Golden Seals - Cleveland Barons (1967-78)

Joey Johnston -- Ted "Tick" Hampson -- Al "Big Al" Macadam
Gary Jarrett -- Dennis "Pee-Wee" Maruk -- Norm Ferguson
Gary "Crow" Croteau -- Walt "Wake Up Walt" Mckechnie -- Bill Hicke
Stan Gilbertson -- Dave Gardner -- Gerry "Tex" Ehman
Earl Ingarfield

Carol "Vad" Vadnais -- Bob "Stewie" Stewart
Bert "Moose" Marshall -- Rick "Crow" Hampton
Doug Roberts -- Jim "The Chief" Neilson

Gilles "The Saviour" Meloche
Gary "Suitcase" Smith
Gary "The Cobra" Simmons​
 
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Montreal Canadiens (1917-10)

Aurel "The Mighty Atom" Joliat -- Jean "Le Gros Bill" Beliveau -- Maurice "The Rocket" Richard
Toe "Ol' Lamplighter" Blake -- Howie "The Stratford Streak" Morenz -- Guy "The Flower" Lafleur
Dickie "Digging Dicker" Moore -- Henri "Pocket Rocket" Richard -- Bernie "Boom-Boom" Geoffrion
Bob "Le Capitaine" Gainey -- Elmer "Nokomis Flash" Lach -- Yvan "The Roadrunner" Cournoyer
Eduard "Newsy" Lalonde

Doug "Dallying Doug" Harvey -- Larry "Big Bird" Robinson
Butch "The Big Beekeeper" Bouchard -- Jacques "Lappy" Laperriere
Sylvio Mantha -- Tom "Bow Tie" Johnson

Jacques "Jake The Snake" Plante
Ken "Octopus" Dryden
Bill "The Mirror Man" Durnan


Toronto Arenas -- Toronto St. Patricks -- Toronto Maple Leafs (1917-10)

Frank "Big M" Mahovlich -- C.J. Syl "Slippery Syl" Apps -- Charlie "Big Blue Bomber" Conacher
Harvey "Busher" Jackson -- Ted "Teeder" Kennedy -- Cecil "Babe" Dye
Sid "Muff" Smith -- Dave Keon -- Gordie "Lefty" Drillon
Bob "Pully" Pulford -- Mats "Sudden" Sundin -- George "The Chief" Armstrong
Garnet I. "Ace" Bailey

Tim "Superman" Horton -- Francis "King" Clancy
Harry "Cammie" Cameron -- Borje "The King" Salming
Allan "Snowshoes" Stanley -- Carl "Skitz" Brewer

Turk "Old Slippery" Broda
Johnny "China Wall" Bower
Harry "Apple Cheeks" Lumley


Boston Bruins (1924-10)

John "Chief" Bucyk -- Phil "Espo" Esposito -- Bobby Bauer
Woody "Porky" Dumart -- Bill "Cowboy" Cowley -- Ken Hodge
Wayne "Cash" Cashman -- Milt "The Count Of Sauerkraut" Schmidt -- Rick "Nifty" Middleton
Herb Cain -- Ralph "Cooney" Weiland -- Cam "Bam-Bam" Neely
Don "Skip" Mckenney

Ray "Bubba" Bourque -- Bobby "Number Four" Orr
Eddie "The Edmonton Express" Shore -- Aubrey "Dit" Clapper
Douglas "Brad" Park -- Jack "The Round Squire of Grasmere" Crawford

Frank "Mr. Zero" Brimsek
Cecil "Tiny" Thompson
Gerry "Cheesey" Cheevers


Detroit Cougars -- Detroit Falcons -- Detroit Red Wings (1926-10)

Ted "Scarface" Lindsay -- Steve "Stevie Wonder" Yzerman -- Gordie "Mr. Hockey" Howe
Brendan "Shanny" Shanahan -- Alex "Fats" Delvecchio -- Larry "Little Dempsey" Aurie
Henrik "Hank" Zetterberg -- Sid "Bootnose" Abel -- Modere "Mud" Bruneteau
Herbie "The Duke Of Duluth" Lewis -- Sergei "FedEx" Fedorov -- Darren "Big Mac" Mccarty
Norm "Noisy" Ullman

Nicklas "Lids" Lidstrom -- Leonard "Red" Kelly
Jack "Black Jack" Stewart -- Ebbie "Poker Face" Goodfellow
Marcel Pronovost -- Bill "Quack" Quackenbush

Terry "Ukey" Sawchuk
Chris "Ozzy" Osgood
Harry "Apple Cheeks" Lumley


Chicago Blackhawks (1926-10)

Bobby "The Golden Jet" Hull -- Stan "Stosh" Mikita -- Kenny "Whip" Wharram
Doug "Dandy Doug" Bentley -- Max "Dipsy Doodle Dandy From Delisle" Bentley -- Bill "Wee Willie" Mosienko
Paul Thompson -- Denis "The Magician" Savard -- Steve "Gramps" Larmer
Johnny Gottselig -- Elwyn "Doc" Romnes -- Mush "The Mighty Midget" March
Dennis "Silver Jet" Hull

Pierre "The Bantam Bouncer" Pilote -- Earl "SI" Seibert
Chris "Cheli" Chelios -- Doug Wilson
Lionel "The Big Train" Conacher -- Elmer "Moose" Vasko

Glenn "Mr. Goalie" Hall
Tony "Tony O" Esposito
Chuck "Wandering Scotsman" Gardiner


New York Rangers (1926-10)

Lynn Patrick -- Frank "Raffles" Boucher -- Bill Cook
Frederick "Bun" Cook -- Mark "Mess" Messier -- Andy "Handy Andy" Bathgate
Camille "The Eel" Henry -- Jean "Ratty" Ratelle -- Bryan Sr. "Hex" Hextall
Vic Hadfield -- Neil Colville -- Rod "Mr. Broadway" Gilbert
Ceece "Two Gun" Dillon

Brian "Leetchie" Leetch -- Douglas "Brad" Park
Ching "The Holding Corporation" Johnson -- Bill "Gads" Gadsby
Harry "Harry The Horse" Howell -- Erhardt "Ott" Heller

Ed "Fast Eddie" Giacomin
Dave "Davey" Kerr
Chuck "Bonnie Prince Charlie" Rayner
 

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