All-Time All-Province Team

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  1. WilliamRanford

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    I was just thinking about an All-Time team for Alberta born players. Mine would probably be:

    Bucyk - Messier - Iginla
    Ray Whitney - Ullman - L. McDonald
    Smyth - Brent Sutter - Doan
    Craven - Unger - Linden
    Barnes

    Niedermayer - Gadsby
    Babych - Sydor
    Wesley - M. Green
    Bouwmeester - J. Smith

    Fuhr
    Vernon
    Osgood

    This team has 6 Hall of Famers, 2 near-locks, and a couple with an outside shot. I left two HoFers off because of naivete: Herbie Lewis & Neil Colville. I also left off Phaneuf because he may or may not be an alien lifeform.

    What would it be for your province/state?
     
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    I was born in Newfoundland, so I do that team first. It's quite pathetic.

    White-King-Ryder
    Norris-Druken-Clowe
    Williams-Faulkner-Cleary
    Langdon-Morgan-Purcell
    Ex: Ryan

    Brown-Brown
    Pichette-Slaney
    Pardy-O'Brien
    Ex: Lundrigan

    Grant
    LaCosta

    I'm not even sure if this team would be any better than 30th if it were thrown into the current NHL. The RW depth is decent, and Keith Brown was a solid defenceman. Otherwise...it's quite sad.

    I'll do a team for BC (my current home) later.
     
  3. seventieslord

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    I don't know every Alberta player like an Alberta native might. But right off the top, one thing that sticks out is that you're missing the best Sutter; Brian. He is better than every LW you have there except Bucyk.
     
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    As a fellow Newfoundlander, you can't forget Harry 'Moose' Watson. Only player born in Newfoundland in the HHOF. He moved to Ontario and represented Canada at the Olympics, but he should still count ;)

    Where do you live in British Columbia?
     
  5. WilliamRanford

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    Yeah, that was a tough cut. Here are the stats

    Player GP G A PTS +/-

    Brian Sutter 779 303 333 636 -63
    Ray Whitney 1143 339 584 923 -99
    Ryan Smyth 1063 353 405 758 -23
    Murray Craven 1071 266 493 759 +128

    I put a little more emphasis on longevity. Craven's +/- puts him into a different category here defensively, and is a good 4th liner. Smytty put up a lot of goals in the dead-puck era, and was named to some best-on-best teams. Whitney is just a superior offensive player to anyone on that list. But a decent case could be made for any of them ...

    I suppose I could kick good ol' Stu Barnes off the list as the extra forward! Just really hard not to like that player....
     
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    Québec

    Dickie Moore - Mario Lemieux - Maurice Richard
    Joe Malone - Jean Beliveau - Guy Lafleur
    Luc Robitaille - Newsy Lalonde - Mike Bossy
    Michel Goulet - Marcel Dionne - Bernard Geoffrion
    Henri Richard

    Doug Harvey - Raymond Bourque
    Denis Potvin - Pierre Pilote
    Sprague Cleghorn - Serge Savard
    Guy Lapointe

    Jacques Plante
    Patrick Roy
    Martin Brodeur
     
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    Sticking to positions...

    British Columbia:

    Paul Kariya - Joe Sakic - Glenn Anderson
    Milan Lucic - Steve Yzerman - Cam Neely (jesus christ!)
    Geoff Courtnall - Cliff Ronning - Greg Adams (94 Canucks connection)
    Andrew Ladd - Peter McNab - Mark Recchi
    Lynn Patrick, Muzz Patrick

    Shea Weber - Willie Mitchell
    Brent Seabrook - Dan Hamhuis
    Jim Watson - Joe Watson
    Doug Lidster

    Tiny Thompson
    Andy Moog
    Carey Price
     
  8. Wee Baby Seamus

    Wee Baby Seamus Yo, Goober, where's the meat?

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    Nova Scotia:

    B.Smith-Crosby-Murray
    McPhee-Boulton-Sulliman
    Lowell MacDonald-P.MacDonald-Currie
    Sim-Sheppard-P.Maclean

    Macinnis-Hollett
    White-Hess
    Boutilier-A.MacDonald


    Wendell Young
    Joey MacDonald

    Great first line, and great first pair, but no depth. Take note of the 4 McDonalds
     
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    I can't imagine anyone raising their hand in here and saying that they would take any of those three players over Sutter. Sutter was the Blues' Mr. Everything for a decade. the others are just complementary players. Craven was good defensively but Sutter was just as good. He was more physical than these three players combined; he had excellent leadership abilities too.

    Sutter had four seasons in which he received significant all-star votes at the LW spot, more than these other three players combined (Smyth, 1)
     
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    Wee Baby Seamus Yo, Goober, where's the meat?

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    Recchi on the fourth line? He's 12th in all-time scoring. I understand him being behind Neely, and maybe Anderson, but behind Greg Adams?
     
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    The lines are ranked by the centers. Obviously Recchi is better than Adams.
     
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    You may convince me -- which of those would you take off for his inclusion? Smytty was selected to 3 best-on-best teams, so I'm keeping him. Craven may have been a role player, but he was a damned effective and successful one on some good teams. I might be open to Whitney for the 2LW spot...

    BTW -- the Quebec team above is just sick.
     
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    Forgot about him. I guess he would become the 1st line LW then. The team still sucks even with his inclusion. I live in Kelowna.

    For fun, I did the PEI team, and they have hilarious RW's that beat out the Nova Scotia McDonalds.

    MacMillan
    MacAdam
    MacMillan
    MacDonald

    They also have McQuaid and McIver on D, and MacIntyre as a backup goalie.
     
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    Come on man, it's Nova Scotia... every fourth person is a MacDonald, not McDonald. Paul MacLean belongs in one of the RW spots too.
     
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    Hull Sr. Gretzky Hull Jr.
    F.Mahovlich P.Esposito C.Conacher
    Joliat Morenz B. Cook
    Denneny Apps Gartner

    Kelly Orr
    Potvin Robinson
    Stevens Coffey

    Dryden
    T. Esposito

    Trying to stick with positions here. A lot of tough choices to be made there especially on D where it seems Ontario has just an endless supply of HOFers and future HOFers. Could probably make a pretty good 2nd team too.

    Question is of course, who wins a game between Ontario and Quebec?
     
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    Wait -- how can Denis Potvin be under both Quebec and Ontario? Who's claiming him :)?? Isn't he just Ontario?
     
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    Depends on whether you place a player based on birthplace or where they were raised. Potvin was born in Quebec but I believe raised in Ottawa. Simiar situations with Niedermayer and Yzerman. I would rather go with where the player was raised, since this has a much bigger impact on the hockey player they became. Unfortnately this costs Nova Scotia Smith and Hollett.
     
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    It's even more complicated with Potvin. Some sources list Potvin as born in Ottawa, other sources say he was born across the river in Hull. Legends Of Hockey i.e. the Hall seems to say he was born in Ottawa.
     
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    Well, If I have to choose my least favourite of the four, I'd have to say Craven. Whitney has been too consistent offensively for me to drop, and Smyth has been top-20 in goals three times (like Sutter was).
     
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    I understand but seriously Jay Miller? Fan favorite but nothing but a goon who I always liked. At left wing Adam Brickley was hands down better than Miller and I didn't put his name down. Name one player not deserving at left wing than Tkachuk, Donato, Pandolfo or Stevens and Miller can be put in. Come on..Nilan, again another fan favorite but does not beat out guys like Steve Heinze, Steve Leach Brian Noonan or even Joe Sacco.

    I can't stand "always hurt" Dipetro and I believe Schneider in the end will have a much better career.

    Taglianetti? Fair to middling player, not better than the other 6 including Gill.

    And I guess I did miss Whitney who should replace Hal Gill immediately.
     

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