OT: All things Game of Thrones thread (SPOILERS INSIDE)

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I really don't know how to feel after that. The story I want relies on the Others being more of a force of nature that could never have been defeated, only contained... and yet now they're seemingly gone. The key element underpinning the entire narrative just vanished.

I think that the only way this story ends is with Cersei outright winning or with all the POV characters dead, the entire continent scoured and the details largely passing into myth.

I hope that GRRM has decided to take the books in a drastically different direction.
 
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I really don't know how to feel after that. The story I want relies on the Others being more of a force of nature that could never have been defeated, only contained... and yet now they're seemingly gone. The key element underpinning the entire narrative just vanished.

I think that the only way this story ends is with Cersei outright winning or with all the POV characters dead, the entire continent scoured and the details largely passing into myth.

I hope that GRRM has decided to take the books in a drastically different direction.

I'm banking on the books being quite different. I think he shared the end game and results with the show and while they've gotten to those ends via their methods, GRRM will get there on different paths.


Not that it matters because he is never ever finishing the books.
 

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I think people expect Bran to take control of the animal kingdom and take over or something. My take? He knew everything that was going to happen, as it happened and helped make sure it happened as is. From the people who would be at Winterfell, to giving Arya the Dagger that would end up killing the NK, to Theon being beside him. To me, they are very much touching on things to the point of it all happening for a reason. If he doesn't play out precisely as it did, good chance everyone dies if importance and that's a wrap.

Might it be (this just dawned on me) that Bran-raven flew to the NK to set the trap? The last we saw of the raven was when it practically landed on the dragon and the NK turned and reached out for it.
 

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I know they aren't Big Deal Characters but the loss of all the Dothraki and probably almost all of the Unsullied is pretty huge. But I think I mentioned that it will be a positive for Dany as her force will become Westerosi, while Cersei is the one with the foreign horde now. Those fortunes have reversed.

And where the f*** is Howland Reed
 
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I know they aren't Big Deal Characters but the loss of all the Dothraki and probably almost all of the Unsullied is pretty huge. But I think I mentioned that it will be a positive for Dany as her force will become Westerosi, while Cersei is the one with the foreign horde now. Those fortunes have reversed.

And where the **** is Howland Reed

Bran was looking for him.

Boom, swish. HC for the win!
 

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Just re-watched it. Some thoughts...

The Dothraki scene was like a pick 6 on the opening play of the Super Bowl. Like @Beef Invictus pointed out, them charging into the darkness without any structure was the most Dothraki thing possible. However, it was terrible planning by the leaders.

Grey Worm's growing human side is a pretty cool character arc, given his backstory. If not for that the lighting of the trench may not have happened. He made a calculated decision to not charge out there with the other Unsullied which lead to Melisandre torching it. If nothing else it slowed down the attack.

Brienne's war screams are f***ing awesome and looks like Jamie lives which squashes my Arya with Jamies face kills Cersei theory. Now I think it's quite obvious that Jamie will kill Cersei after the Cleganebowl

Cleganebowl is happening. Does the Mountain have the Hound on the ropes and Arya saves the Hound this time? She owes him

Jorah is a noble stage 5 clinger. Lyanna Mormont had an awesome ending, too. I always thought she was a nothing character that got too much screen time but that was redeemed to me. House Mormont is done. That's pretty big

Arya killing NK was weak, IMO. The writers on the after show said they knew for 3 years that she'd be the one who killed him and Jon vs NK was too predictable, which I'm calling major BS on. My biggest issue was that we had a build up of Jon vs NK for the past few seasons with multiple encounters. There was a personal element between them that needed to be settled or explored at the very least. I'm not saying Jon HAD to defeat the NK, but not having a dust up between the two is a major let down. Have Jon fight him and then Arya come in off the top rope to save him.

We better find out what Bran was doing the entire episode
 
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Why is it laughable for Jon to attack him with a valyrian steel sword if Arya can do the same with a dagger, exactly? For someone who knew he could kill Jon, he didn't seem in any hurry to actual engage him in combat - in any episode.

Exactly this. The show writers pushed Jon's courage to stand up to the NK on multiple encounters and the NK's unwillingness to personally engage. The NK watched Jon defeat a WW, one of his homies, with relative ease as well. There's no way he looked at Jon as a speed bump
 
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I mean, there's also the Wrights, too. If it's the Wrights I'm thinking of, they could've used to first plane to just air drop her in?

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Lol I gave up on autocorrect fixing that. It likes to chance king to kong as well. Unless I try to type Kong and it changes it to long.
 
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I wanted to ask about the unsullied but forgot with everything else that I complained about.
They were essentially abandoned to secure a chance for the rest to get away right? Grey Worm, destroyed the bridge with all of the rest of the unsullied on the other side right?
The only ones left loyal to Dany are Jon, Tyrion, Grey Worm and his boo, and Varys(like I’m going to believe that he is loyal to anyone but himself)?
The rest being loyal to Sansa or Jon right?
 
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I wanted to ask about the unsullied but forgot with everything else that I complained about.
They were essentially abandoned to secure a chance for the rest to get away right? Grey Worm, destroyed the bridge with all of the rest of the unsullied on the other side right?
The only ones left loyal to Dany are Jon, Tyrion, Grey Worm and his boo, and Varys(like I’m going to believe that he is loyal to anyone but himself)?
The rest being loyal to Sansa or Jon right?

Correct on the Unsullied. They're essentially killing robots with zero human emotions. That's why Grey Worm's character arc is pretty cool.

We don't know what kind of numbers are left but yes on loyalty. I'd imagine after this fight they're one cohesive unit for the time being, though
 
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I wanted to ask about the unsullied but forgot with everything else that I complained about.
They were essentially abandoned to secure a chance for the rest to get away right? Grey Worm, destroyed the bridge with all of the rest of the unsullied on the other side right?
The only ones left loyal to Dany are Jon, Tyrion, Grey Worm and his boo, and Varys(like I’m going to believe that he is loyal to anyone but himself)?
The rest being loyal to Sansa or Jon right?

I think during the one scene you could see the unsullied adjusting their formations with the castle-closest running back in pairs, reducing the size of their flanks, but allowing a few to escape in to the castle.

There were also several Unsullied who escorted Melisandre out to the bridge to set it ablaze.

I would wager most of the Unsullied certainly died during this battle, though.


If I had to name one thing I'd have loved to see, it would have been for the dothraki to make their charge and be snuffed out. But then have them re-raised and immediately sent back towards the castle as wights. I think the dynamic of that would have caused a tremendous sense of fear and been an awesome representation of the raw power of the Nights King for everyone to understand right up front.
 

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I’ll give them credit for not giving the living a break during the siege.

Yeah, I certainly can't complain about the action in this episode. There was no shortage of that. I guess I'd have hoped for Sansa and or Tyrion to defend people in the crypts a little better, too. But I think that was done purposely to display how Sansa isn't meant to be involved in the physical aspect of this, and confirms her status as more of a background player, for me at least. Her biggest contribution moving forward will be getting the knights of the Vale to ride for house Stark again, if anything.
 

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Yeah, I certainly can't complain about the action in this episode. There was no shortage of that. I guess I'd have hoped for Sansa and or Tyrion to defend people in the crypts a little better, too. But I think that was done purposely to display how Sansa isn't meant to be involved in the physical aspect of this, and confirms her status as more of a background player, for me at least. Her biggest contribution moving forward will be getting the knights of the Vale to ride for house Stark again, if anything.


The Vale is still a pretty intact force. The Tullys weren't wiped either, and her garbage uncle is now free from whatever vow to the Freys and Jaime can free him from vows to the Lannisters.
 
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HC from deep again,

What exactly is the point of Jon's character now? He essentially lived his life to defeat the White Walkers and he wasn't the one to do defeat the Night King. He doesn't want to sit on the Iron Throne, or at least has shown zero interest in it. Yeah, he got everyone together to fight this battle but what is the end goal for such an important character? I just can't see that being the ultimate goal.

Option A) Jon follows Dany into war to help her as she helped him and whatever happens happens.
Option B) Jon and Dany clash and in the end they are the two fighting for the "Throne."

I'm going with option B if we're going to get an ending that Jon deserves as Option A seems pretty blah for the importance of Jon to the entire story.
 

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The weapon Arya used to kill Night king; was that not the special weapon that she asked Gentry to make and showed the schematic for it?

Wasn’t it made out of dragonglass?
I thought I saw Tarly overcome by the whitewalkers near the end and I assumed dead. Also didn’t see Tormund at the end as well. It was a dark episode so maybe I just missed them.
 
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