All Things Coronavirus Covid-19 - Part XVII

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New thread, I think the rules from the main covid board are sufficient:


You may critique the response of government but don't make it political.

Posts attributing motives because it involves this or that political party/politician/ideology will not be tolerated.

Examples:
Allowed: "Trump doesn't know what he's doing, the response was too little too late"
Not Allowed: "The only reason the response was so slow was to keep the stock prices high so he can get reelected"

Allowed: "The media is over-reporting this and it's going to make things worse"
Not Allowed: "The liberal media is over-reporting this because they're trying to bring down Trump"

Miracle cures, home remedies, and medical advice should not be posted.

Be careful what you link to, treat it like the trade forum we don't want to spread bad information.
 
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What so i can’t link to the YouTube account “FreedomIsntFreeDontTreadOnMe420”?


Canals been packed. Now a lot of that is because the stripers are in but the Rec area was swarmed when I drove by a month ago too. Heard the same from others periodically since. I don’t see this thing stopping anytime soon, judging by the behavior of many it’s something we may just have to live with
 
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State’s reopening will start with places of worship, construction, manufacturing, memo says - The Boston Globe

Massachusetts on Monday will take a tentative step toward restoring some aspects of normal life after a two-month lockdown, when Governor Charlie Baker presents a plan to gradually reopen the economy amid a COVID-19 pandemic that is still claiming close to 100 lives in the state every day.

The manufacturing and construction industries, as well as houses of worship, will be allowed to resume operations as soon as Monday, according to an email sent to local government officials over the weekend and obtained by the Globe. The email from the Massachusetts Municipal Association, an advocacy organization representing cities and towns, says the Baker administration asked the group to provide the information in advance of the governor’s reopening announcement. It notes that details of the reopening plan were still being finalized over the weekend.

All businesses that reopen will have to follow public health guidelines specific to their sector, according to the email. It says other industries could follow later in the first phase of the state’s economic reopening, thought it does not identify them. A spokesman for the governor declined to comment, adding that the administration would have more to say on Monday.

Baker has said his plan would allow business to resume in four waves as the state progresses through the dangerous outbreak.

With some metrics including hospitalizations trending downward recently, pressure has been building for Massachusetts to scale back the strict measures put in place to manage the novel coronavirus.

But by Monday, the state had not laid out a timeline for when most businesses will be allowed to reopen. And some business owners said they were working over the weekend to do something ― anything ― that might help them be ready whenever they get the green light.

“People are asking to book appointments to get ahead of everyone else, but it’s impossible to guarantee dates because I don’t have one,” said Jessica Thornton, owner of Green Room, a one-chair salon in Beacon Hill. “I expect to be up all night Monday and in the shop fielding phone calls Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.”

Anyone expecting a permanent, definitive thaw in the restrictions anytime before there is a proven vaccine will likely be disappointed, according to Andrew A. Lover, an epidemiologist at the University of Massachusetts Amherst. He predicts that the state will relax the restrictions as much as possible, but that new waves of infection are all but certain to follow — potentially leading to new measures.

“This is going to be a very long-term, slow and deliberate process,” Lover said. “And there won’t be a magical get out of jail free card where we can all stop everything we’re doing. I suspect that’s what the message will be tomorrow.”

The governor has said that the first businesses to open will have minimal contact with customers, and will be places where social distancing is relatively easy.

Jon Hurst, president of the Retailers Association of Massachusetts, said that without an immediate plan for reopening non-essential retail, “we’re going to have a lot of disappointed small businesses.” He said retailers would like to open by Memorial Day weekend, and are willing to follow whatever public safety initiatives are required, including mask mandates or capacity limits.
 

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FDA says Abbott’s 5-minute Covid-19 test may miss infected patients

The Food and Drug Administration said late Thursday that the Abbott ID Now rapid test for Covid-19 — touted by the White House and widely used nationally — may return false negative results, meaning it can incorrectly indicate that patients who are infected with the novel coronavirus are not.

“We are still evaluating the information about inaccurate results and are in direct communications with Abbott about this important issue,” Tim Stenzel, director of the FDA’s Office of In Vitro Diagnostics and Radiological Health, said in a statement. “We will continue to study the data available and are working with the company to create additional mechanisms for studying the test.”

Stengel said that while the test can still be used and correctly identify positive test results in minutes, negative results may need to be confirmed with another test.

In a statement, Abbott said that it is seeing studies that use the ID Now test “in ways it was not designed to be used.” The company pointed to recent studies that have had false negative rates of 20%, 10%, and one as low as 6%. In previous statements to news outlets, Abbott has said that the false positive rate of the test was only 0.02%. More than 1.8 million Abbott ID Now tests for the novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, have been distributed, and the test is reportedly in use at the White House.

The normal process of testing new diagnostic tests has not been possible during the Covid-19 pandemic. But Anirban Maitra, a professor of pathology at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, said that all the samples were simulated by putting known quantities of viral genetic material on swabs, and without comparing the results to other platforms. There are enough real world Covid-19 cases, he said, to do a head-to-head comparison with more traditional tests.

Abbott will now conduct studies that will include at least 150 Covid-19-positive patients “in a variety of clinical settings” and the FDA will continue to review data from the company on an ongoing basis.
 

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It's concerning that we continue to see things like this all over the world. China, Hong Kong, South Korea, US, off the top of my head.

It seems like they are outliers SO FAR and also seems like what we've seen in plasma treatment has been effective(limited data, but still) so I'm hoping that the anomaly is in the testing itself and that this isn't even more of a mutant virus than what we already know of.
 

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It's concerning that we continue to see things like this all over the world. China, Hong Kong, South Korea, US, off the top of my head.

It seems like they are outliers SO FAR and also seems like what we've seen in plasma treatment has been effective(limited data, but still) so I'm hoping that the anomaly is in the testing itself and that this isn't even more of a mutant virus than what we already know of.


I'm REALLY hoping its just that the current tests suck.

The alternative could be horrifying.
 

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I was talking to a friend that works in a hospital in Maine last night and he was telling me Maine has some of the lowest testing in the country. I asked him if hospital staff gets tested and he said they don’t because there isn’t enough tests. That’s insane, is it like that in Massachusetts too? I have a feeling Maine will see a lot more cases as people migrate north this summer.
 
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I was talking to a friend that works in a hospital in Maine last night and he was telling me Maine has some of the lowest testing in the country. I asked him if hospital staff gets tested and he said they don’t because there isn’t enough tests. That’s insane, is it like that in Massachusetts too? I have a feeling Maine will see a lot more cases as people migrate north this summer.

Yes there are not enough tests available.
 
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That quote by Trump Jr... I don't know whether to laugh or smash my head against the wall. It's an obvious act of course but to think something in them probably does believe this....

It was Eric Trump and I think he believes that.

The Trump rally formula was a masterstroke in 2016 as they knew FOX News and CNN would cover them live and it was effective.

Today and until there is a vaccine I sincerely doubt any local official will sign off on a gathering of 15-20K in an arena for sports, concerts, or a political convention. Sooner or later some mayor or governor will give the OK but nobody wants to be the first.
 

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In all of Canada

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In Massachusetts

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Man Swedens numbers are rough. But we do not know yet if they made the right decision by not closing anything. Sweden has population of ~10mil while Finland has ~5mil.
 

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@Gee Wally - Curious on your take on this



The clinical trial itself is similar in what is happening throughout the world. RNA based looks hopeful. Genetically engineering another virus (common cold say) to attack this virus. But, always a but, is it safe? Will it cause health, death or an irreversible genetic mutation in humans? Nobody knows yet. Really wont know HOW safe for a while .

A monkey , the closest to us genetically doesnt seem to die , or not often of HIV/AIDS ...yet carries it. We raised and harvested them on Binney St lab in the 80's. You dont really know until you put it into a variety of humans and wait and see. Pediatric trials are ALWAYS last for that very reason.


In regard as to possession being 9/10ths of the law that guy was nuts on.

If you remember you and I chatted about best way to cross the border into the States about a month ago when I had to get Drug Substance to Boston for clinical at B&W hospital as well as flights to EU?

That's part of what the gentleman is alluding to. No other country trusts the US Administration to take a global approach. Which is really dumb IMO because the US doesnt have the capacity to even make enough vaccine if its found. The US will need to rely on EU and India for most of it.

Another offshoot of this is that the capacity will come from the making of current vaccines. You name it. Although not highly publicized there is already a resurgence starting of polio in third world countries. Due to lock downs, travel bans and utilizing plants to devote to Covid.
The oral dose hasnt been getting administered in months.

That bears watching. Why? Because when all is said and done and if it continues to rise God bless those that chose not to vaccinate their kids. We dont live in a closed off world anymore and viruses travel light.

Frankly my biggest hope is that the Navy story of sailors getting it twice now is due to bad assays.
My hope is that once you get it you cant get it or carry it again. That it burns out. Not eradicated but because of other safe guards cant find a lot of viable hosts .

A vaccine to me and from my coworkers is still a Hail Mary in anything under years.
 
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Man Swedens numbers are rough. But we do not know yet if they made the right decision by not closing anything. Sweden has population of ~10mil while Finland has ~5mil.

I'm glad Canada isn't taking the Sweden approach.

However, what is missing from all the numbers out there so far, is relative tracking of economic cost between countries. When this pandemic is over, there will need to be a hard look at the balance between life and cost. It might very well be that other countries eventually catch up to the Sweden numbers in subsequent waves, and Sweden doesn't have those waves. But the economic costs will be quite different.

Because unfortunately when this is all said and done, we need to plan for an assumption that there will be another pandemic. And we'll want to do better next time.
 

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just a few minutes ago:

Moderna says first-stage study of coronavirus vaccine shows its ‘potential’ - The Boston Globe

Moderna said Monday that the vaccine the Cambridge biotech helped develop for COVID-19 produced antibodies in the blood of eight volunteers comparable to those seen in people who recovered from the disease.

The company’s chief medical officer, Dr. Tal Zaks, said the initial results from the first phase of a clinical trial suggest that the vaccine “has the potential to prevent COVID-19 disease.”

Scientists suspect that antibodies found in the blood of people who recover from the new coronavirus may make them immune to reinfection, but that has not been proven yet.

A few dozen volunteers participated in the first stage of the study, but Moderna said data were available for only a small portion of them.
 
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Man Swedens numbers are rough. But we do not know yet if they made the right decision by not closing anything. Sweden has population of ~10mil while Finland has ~5mil.

The "recovered" stats are very odd. The percentage of deaths are much higher in Sweden too - so maybe people getting exposed to a higher amount of the virus is making it harder to fight off? I really don't have much understanding of how this works but those numbers are scary.
 

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Save your money and steer clear of the Quest Diagnostics antibody test.

I thought it would be a good idea to get one and all it has done is caused my anxiety to shoot through the roof.

My results came back negative but with the caviat that a false negative is possible and that it doesn't mean you didn't have it. I'm sorry but the test is either positive or negative, cut and dry.

Now I get to pray that the only thing I got by going to the lab were 2 bruises because the phlebotomist drawing my sample sucked.

I'm ready for this to be over because I can't take the anxiety. Medication is great but I'm sick of the "just meditate and breathe" bullshit people are spewing as how to get rid of it. Give me concrete steps god damn it. It isn't normal to be terrified to go into the god damn grocery store.

Get enough tests to test anyone who wants one. Enough of this you have to have symptoms bull shit.

I'm thisclose to saying screw it.
 
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