All purpose trade / roster building thread part 4: We like our Jerks

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Nino-Aho-TT
McLovin-Staal-Williams
Svech-Wallmark-Necas
Martinook-Bishop-McGinn
Saku

After 18 years of Canes fandom, this is probably reality for moves. Although, I’d be sad if we went backwards like this for roster talent.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

After 18 years of Canes fandom, this is probably reality for moves. Although, I’d be sad if we went backwards like this for roster talent.

It might be, but 1 year of Canes fandom under Dundon/Waddell/RBA has been a whole lot different than all the prior years under Rutherford/Francis.

I agree that I don't think they'll shake it up to the same level next year, but they clearly aren't afraid to make moves.

 

[NotOpie]

so something like

Nino-Aho-Willy
Svech-Staal-TT
Foegs-Necas-Martinook
___-McKegg-Sakku

Hope that Necas is able to rise up to 2C by the playoffs to play alongside Svech and TT? That could be a potent lineup

I just don't see a scenario where Lucas Wallmark (unless he's moved; more on that in a minute) isn't either the 3C or 4C. McKegg is likely walking into free agency. Assuming the top 6 above, in some combination is accurate, then there's really only a #12 and #13 forward slot available (assuming Necas continues his progression). Currently Maenalanen, McGinn, Foegele, Martinook (in truth, he's a bottom 6 tweener) and some random Checkers would battle it out for that slot. As much as I'm a big Foegele fan, right now, he's a 3rd line/4th line tweener, too, who's punching above his weight class in the playoffs. Now he's got the skill and the drive to maybe be a middle sixer, but until he shows more consistency, I think you pencil him in the bottom 6 or even the 4th line. That's not a bad thing; if we had a good enough bottom line that we could comfortably give them 9 or 10 minutes a game, that would be a good thing and a good problem to have.

I see Rod starting young Martin on the 3rd line much as he did w/Svech. I also firmly believe he'll be on the RW. He'll need somebody to mentor him. Maybe Wallmark could be there, but he's still learning as well. However if that is the case, then I think you've got a line combination of:

Nino/Svech - Aho - TT/Willy
Nino/Svech - Staal - TT/Willy
Foegele/Trade/UFA - Wallmark - Necas
Foegele/McGinn/Checker - Martinook - Saku/Checker

There aren't many UFAs that I'd be particularly thrilled about chasing, but finding a 3rd line scoring option who can provide some of that additional mentorship for Necas makes sense to me.

All of this is to say, that maybe, just maybe, heart and soul guys like McGinn and "up and comers" like Wallmark, might prove to be better assets in trade than actual players for the Canes. Like most fans, I love me some Brock McGinn. I have a bit of a man crush on Lucas Wallmark too. But if I'm the GM looking to move moderately valuable assets with higher value assets, then Wallmark and/or McGinn fit the bill as a lesser piece in a bigger trade, Wallmark in particular (his 1-way salary next season is $675,000).

While a defenseman like TVR or Faulk, might not bring back the forward asset we're looking for, packaging them with Wallmark and 2nd round pick might do the job. And there still would likely be some risk as this is something of a 4 quarters for a dollar type of deal.

In the end, the question is do we believe that we have the assets on board (here and/or in Charlotte) to take the next step, or do we need to tweak the mix again next Summer. From the combos above, there are some decisions to be made and a fan favorite or two could be on the move.

 

[The Jerk Store]

After 18 years of Canes fandom, this is probably reality for moves. Although, I’d be sad if we went backwards like this for roster talent.

I wouldn't call this going backwards. Although virtually identical to our current roster, I am assuming the rookies grow from this season's experience and also that Scott Darling is no longer on the roster or in the system. If we would have gone .500 against the Caps in the season series rather than being swept, we would have won the division and top five in the league. As young as we are, I wouldn't be quick to make too many wholesale changes.

 

[dogbazinho]

If we lose Ferland, Fox and we miss the playoffs I think its going backwards.

 

[NotOpie]

If we lose Ferland, Fox and we miss the playoffs I think its going backwards.

By definition, missing the playoffs next season would be going backwards....

 

[The Jerk Store]

If we lose Ferland, Fox and we miss the playoffs I think its going backwards.

Who says we miss the playoffs?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I wouldn't call this going backwards. Although virtually identical to our current roster, I am assuming the rookies grow from this season's experience and also that Scott Darling is no longer on the roster or in the system. If we would have gone .500 against the Caps in the season series rather than being swept, we would have won the division and top five in the league. As young as we are, I wouldn't be quick to make too many wholesale changes.

Losing Ferland and hoping a rookie is going to replace him is going backwards. Also, Foegele is great in the playoffs but to have in the top 6 is also going backwards.

Staying pat is adding a top 6 forward and then hope the improvement comes from the youngsters.

 

[dogbazinho]

By definition, missing the playoffs next season would be going backwards....

Just saying I wouldn't risk the playoffs by doing nothing in the off season. We barely made it this year. In 2006 we had a better team, a better returning team and missed the year after and we're talking about standing pat and how it's not going backwards. I think it's a tremendous risk and if we repeat 2006 - 2007 again its a death sentence for fan support. We also need to think about post Williams. We need to think about expansion draft. Penciling Necas in again is risky. He should be seen as a luxury not a certainty.

 

[My Special Purpose]

In the end, the question is do we believe that we have the assets on board (here and/or in Charlotte) to take the next step, or do we need to tweak the mix again next Summer. From the combos above, there are some decisions to be made and a fan favorite or two could be on the move.

I couldn't agree with a post any more than I do with yours.

If we "stand pat," relying on internal solutions, I'm not sure we'll get better. In short, I'm worried that our depth is being confused for strength. Yeah, we've got a bunch of guys who have shown they can play at this level, and another bunch knocking on the door. But are any of them top six forwards?

We've simply got to add if we're going to compete, especially with Ferland leaving, and the natural evolution of young players isn't enough.

I expect another move like last summer, targeting a forward. Or something similar to the deal to get Jordan Staal in 2012, a first (or high second), a prospect (Fleury? Fox?) and a good young player (Wallmark? McGinn?) for an established guy.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I know it's not a popular position right now with him getting suspended 2 playoffs in a row and I wouldn't give up as much as the Leafs would want (ie..Pesce), but I'd take Kadri on this team. I get that he loses it from time to time, but he's tough, has skill, can score goals, plays defense pretty well, and plays with a bit of an edge. I could live with Aho, Kadri, Staal, Wallmark down the middle.

I doubt we go after a guy like Duchene in UFA (even though I'd prefer him). Who else might be some other targets for trade options?

 

[The Jerk Store]

I know it's not a popular position right now with him getting suspended 2 playoffs in a row and I wouldn't give up as much as the Leafs would want (ie..Pesce), but I'd take Kadri on this team. I get that he loses it from time to time, but he's tough, has skill, can score goals, plays defense pretty well, and plays with a bit of an edge. I could live with Aho, Kadri, Staal, Wallmark down the middle.

I doubt we go after a guy like Duchene in UFA (even though I'd prefer him). Who else might be some other targets for trade options?

Personally I would love to somehow get Laine, but besides the fact that he won't be available, the asking price would be astronomical.
Maybe Kapanen or Nylander?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I know it's not a popular position right now with him getting suspended 2 playoffs in a row and I wouldn't give up as much as the Leafs would want (ie..Pesce), but I'd take Kadri on this team. I get that he loses it from time to time, but he's tough, has skill, can score goals, plays defense pretty well, and plays with a bit of an edge. I could live with Aho, Kadri, Staal, Wallmark down the middle.

I doubt we go after a guy like Duchene in UFA (even though I'd prefer him). Who else might be some other targets for trade options?

If the Leafs would take Faulk (which may happen if Dubas caves to the pressure of Babcock publicly demanding a RHD) and some change (maybe one of our Charlotte forwards) for Kadri, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Would be a great fit in this room IMO, and definitely a Brind’Amour type.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Do you guys think that Marleau would waive his NMC to join the Canes? If so, I could see a juicy cap dump trade opportunity, considering that he only has a year left and considering how screwed up the Leafs' cap situation is.

 

[raynman]

Kadri would be a great option if they could figure out something around Faulk. Really want to see a right hand shot brought in, could definitely be a help on the PP.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

If Dundon is OK with it (and Marleau is OK with spending his possibly last year in the league mentoring our young guys), I think the Leafs and Canes could build a trade around Marleau and Kadri for Faulk and a mid-round pick. Canes are one of the few teams in the league that can eat that much salary next off-season, and Marleau just has a year left. Kadri would function as our Grubauer in that trade.

 

[Moosetache]

I think there is a better chance of multiple offer sheets at Toronto for Kapanen and Johnsson. The offer sheet compensation just makes it really tasty in the leafs situation. I know they don't want to pay kapanen 4 mil

I can totally see giving up a second for Kap...would you give up a first and a third?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If I were to take a guess at possible trade candidates:

C Karlsson- Vegas has limited cap space and needs a RHD. They have young centers in the prospect ranks. Can do sign and trade scenario.

RW Kapanen/ C Nylander- Toronto has limited cap space and needs defense. All of their forwards won’t fit into their cap. (Say no to Marleau). Sign and trade option available and July 2nd Nylander actual salary AAV is around 5 million.

AA- Detroit will go through roster changes with a new GM. Possible target, if any.

TB will try to move one or a combo of Palat, Callahan, and Miller to make room for Point. Need RHD. Miller is the only one of interest.

Hoffman- If Florida is trying to dump money to bring on the 2 Blue Jackets, I would inquire about Hoffman. He is a power play specialist and I wouldn’t ask for a ton of defense. Only one year left.

Jets will need to be shed some salary via trade current contract or trade a RFA. I doubt they move Laine. Ehlers maybe?

I will say any move involving Faulk may be post July 1st to allow a team to discuss contract extension. That timeframe is suitable for any trade involving a RFA coming back or Nylander.

 

[Moosetache]

Thats a solid synopsis there....should focus on the right handed players from that group. It is shocking how LH heavy this team is at F. So much so that it has actually had an affect. Under normal circumstances handedness means nothing to me honestly, but this is ridiculous.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Thats a solid synopsis there....should focus on the right handed players from that group. It is shocking how LH heavy this team is at F. So much so that it has actually had an affect. Under normal circumstances handedness means nothing to me honestly, but this is ridiculous.

You can always try Dougie at RW if you want a RH shot so badly

 

[SaskCanesFan]

If I were to take a guess at possible trade candidates:

C Karlsson- Vegas has limited cap space and needs a RHD. They have young centers in the prospect ranks. Can do sign and trade scenario.

RW Kapanen/ C Nylander- Toronto has limited cap space and needs defense. All of their forwards won’t fit into their cap. (Say no to Marleau). Sign and trade option available and July 2nd Nylander actual salary AAV is around 5 million.

AA- Detroit will go through roster changes with a new GM. Possible target, if any.

TB will try to move one or a combo of Palat, Callahan, and Miller to make room for Point. Need RHD. Miller is the only one of interest.

Hoffman- If Florida is trying to dump money to bring on the 2 Blue Jackets, I would inquire about Hoffman. He is a power play specialist and I wouldn’t ask for a ton of defense. Only one year left.

Jets will need to be shed some salary via trade current contract or trade a RFA. I doubt they move Laine. Ehlers maybe?

Fantastic list, I should save this as a reference for the dozens of hours I'm sure I'll spend on CapFriendly

 

[SaskCanesFan]

I know it's not a popular position right now with him getting suspended 2 playoffs in a row and I wouldn't give up as much as the Leafs would want (ie..Pesce), but I'd take Kadri on this team. I get that he loses it from time to time, but he's tough, has skill, can score goals, plays defense pretty well, and plays with a bit of an edge. I could live with Aho, Kadri, Staal, Wallmark down the middle.

I doubt we go after a guy like Duchene in UFA (even though I'd prefer him). Who else might be some other targets for trade options?

I'm not at all against Kadri in general, but I think the Leafs would be asking too much for him. If this playoff loss drops them to accepting a Faulk based return then great, but I wouldn't go higher than that. With the Leafs cap trouble and offer sheet option sitting there (I know they never happen, but Dundon would be the one guy to not care) I think Kapanen is the guy to go after that could be had for less. Though he doesn't help the C depth, but I think Aho-Staal-Necas-Wallmark is still pretty good. If Necas can't play the middle, move over Martinook or move up Wallmark and get a Bishop/McKegg type for 4C

 

[DougieSmash]

I want Miller to replace Faulk. Then trade pick for Haula.

 

[Canes]

I'd take Kadri but could we afford him? He's not really good enough to push Aho back to wing, and while he's better offensively than Staal, I don't think he's a probably worth what Toronto would want. If we could get him cheap, I could see Waddell being interested. If we were willing to spend the money, Aho-Kadri-Staal would certainly be nice for the next few years while Necas gains experience on the wing.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Thats a solid synopsis there....should focus on the right handed players from that group. It is shocking how LH heavy this team is at F. So much so that it has actually had an affect. Under normal circumstances handedness means nothing to me honestly, but this is ridiculous.

That would be Kapanen, Nylander, and Callahan (which I am not interested in)