Pre-Game Talk: All Purpose Off Day Thread

[Sidney the Kidney]

The guys were noticeably frustrated last game. Something is not quite right.

Maybe if they actually put in full 60 minute efforts, they might start to get favorable results. Getting frustrated because they can't win games they show up 1 period for and don't execute their defensive responsibilities in is kind of silly.

 

[Turin]

Maybe if they actually put in full 60 minute efforts, they might start to get favorable results. Getting frustrated because they can't win games they show up 1 period for and don't execute their defensive responsibilities in is kind of silly.

I really can’t get behind the effort thing.. the D is that bad. Their entire scheme is compromised until that is addressed.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I really can’t get behind the effort thing.. the D is that bad. Their entire scheme is compromised until that is addressed.

Eh, I don't think one being bad should be an excuse for every other aspect of the game that's below par.

Watched the Leafs/Sens game tonight. Ottawa's defense is horrible. Chabot's basically the only guy who can move the puck or has a clue where he's supposed to be, yet Ottawa was working their asses off all game and their forwards did as much as they humanly could to try and win the game.

Having a bad defense corps shouldn't excuse the forwards from not giving it their all.

 

[EightyOne]

This year is a culmination of a trend that started in the second cup year.

But it's okay, a bunch of people will call it revisionist and continue to think they're just one trade from perfection.

 

[Turin]

Eh, I don't think one being bad should be an excuse for every other aspect of the game that's below par.

Watched the Leafs/Sens game tonight. Ottawa's defense is horrible. Chabot's basically the only guy who can move the puck or has a clue where he's supposed to be, yet Ottawa was working their asses off all game and their forwards did as much as they humanly could to try and win the game.

Having a bad defense corps shouldn't excuse the forwards from not giving it their all.

Yea but you’d say the same thing about the Penguins when they win generally.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Yea but you’d say the same thing about the Penguins when they win generally.

When the Pens win, it's because they either do try for most of the 60 minutes, or they get dominant individual efforts from some of their stars. I'm not sure how that's similar to Ottawa's defense being horrible, but their forwards actually giving 100% even though the defense will likely cost them the game.

 

[Turin]

When the Pens win, it's because they either do try for most of the 60 minutes, or they get dominant individual efforts from some of their stars. I'm not sure how that's similar to Ottawa's defense being horrible, but their forwards actually giving 100% even though the defense will likely cost them the game.

How is it any different? You think Ottawa is always just on full try hard mode and Pittsburgh is inexplicably lazy? That’s just your limited perception as somebody who watches Pittsburgh and saw AN Ottawa game.

 

[EightyOne]

How is it any different? You think Ottawa is always just on full try hard mode and Pittsburgh is inexplicably lazy? That’s just your limited perception as somebody who watches Pittsburgh and saw AN Ottawa game.

It's kinda semantics, eh?

As long as the Pens are outplayed, they are outplayed. Whether they did 0% or 100% effort, someone else had a higher talent/skill/effort floor during any given Pens loss.

Generally. Sometimes it is truly luck---but sometimes wins are luck too.

 

[Turin]

It's kinda semantics, eh?

As long as the Pens are outplayed, they are outplayed. Whether they did 0% or 100% effort, someone else had a higher talent/skill/effort floor during any given Pens loss.

Generally. Sometimes it is truly luck---but sometimes wins are luck too.

I just think effort is usually a poor evaluation thing. Brassard? Ok I can see your point. Everybody else? Nah they’re trying but can’t get the puck.

 

[LOGiK]

When the Pens win, it's because they either do try for most of the 60 minutes, or they get dominant individual efforts from some of their stars. I'm not sure how that's similar to Ottawa's defense being horrible, but their forwards actually giving 100% even though the defense will likely cost them the game.

And then the breach of outer space happens and the vacuum of space rips them to shreds.
Can't fly to close to the sun on wings of pastrami.

 

[Chuck Norris Trophy]

Something about Brassards comments about this teams inner circle of leaders seems odd to me. I get that he didn't work out and Sully tried and so did Brass but that article just seemed off to me.

What did he say?

 

[EightyOne]

What did he say?

From the trade thread:

Some interesting quotes in there.

Derick Brassard opens up about failed trade, Penguins tenure

This part sounds a bit ... weird.

"Brassard also found it difficult to penetrate the Penguins’ leadership structure, spearheaded by Crosby, Malkin and others.
He said it was too hard to come in as an outsider and feel part of the group given what the Penguins’ core had accomplished together. It was similar to what Trevor Daley experienced in Chicago a couple years ago before coming to Pittsburgh and thriving.

“Yes, they have good guys, they make you feel unbelievable, their organization, staff, everyone is unreal,” Brassard said. “But the fact that they have star power, they won, it’s the same core and everything … you’re coming in as a new guy, and it’s not an easy thing to do.”
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Maybe it's my interpretation, but it sounds like he didn't seem to fit in even off the ice or something.

 

[Chuck Norris Trophy]

Thanks! I can understand Brassand, many players have said that same thing.

 

[Peat]

I don't think the Pens players looked lazy in the opening against Carolina. I do think they looked easily knocked off their game mentally when the team generated all the best chances then went behind to a slightly soft long range wrister.

Also, while I don't think the Pens players look lazy that often, I don't think I see full on whirlwind effort as often as I'd like. This team used to be frantic chasing games. Now, not so much.

edit: p.s. I think my new plan for the season is to drug/hypnotise them so they think every other game is against the Caps.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

No, if you read the article, you'd figure it out.

I read it.

 

[EightyOne]

I read it.

So, you figured it out?

 

[Ugene Magic]

I think most knew it was a bad fit, some from the beginning.

Mad Props for Brassard being that open. Wish him the best.