All Purpose Coronavirus Discussion Part VI - The Flyers Fred Arthur wore #6, he quit to be a doctor

[kudymen]

Not going to lie, the past few pages feel very fascist

 

[Embiid]

Fake news.....people are knitting.

Friedrich Nietzsche famously argued: “That which does not kill us, makes us stronger.” If the German philosopher could peruse social media in the coronavirus era, he might change his view.

Housebound and bored, people appear to be drinking more booze, toking more weed, watching more porn and smoking more butts. These behaviours may alleviate the monotony of short-term lockdown stress but store up costs for the future.

The World Health Organization’s guidelines on maintaining a sound mind in the face of a pandemic counsel against abusing tobacco, alcohol or other drugs. But the agency also argued that individuals should consider strategies that have worked for them in the past. For many this has meant giving in to temptation.

The virtual-sex trade has got a lift: Pornhub, the leading adult entertainment website, saw a near-12% increase in global traffic from Feb. 24 to March 17. British lingerie chain Ann Summers said sex toy sales were up 27% in the last week of March compared to the same period a year ago, with its quietest vibrator fast becoming its best seller.

Today’s virus vices store up tomorrow’s problems

 

[DancingPanther]

Trump can say whatever he wants but it has been shown to have positive effects and does not have much risk with a pretty much normal ECG. For those who don’t know, there’s not that much treatment for viruses anyway. So throw everything at it.

??
Please let me know if I'm missing something outside of these:
1. Poorly conducted, non peer-reviewed french study which showed "improvement" (and the opposite) numbers along the lines of international averages, along with displaying only 6 days of data in a 14 day study and a control group that wasn't significantly similar to the treatment group (further compromising its validity). This study was in danger of being redacted; it was not peer reviewed and not randomized. "The article does not meet the [publisher's] expected standard," said the International Journal of Anti-Microbial Agents in a statement.
2. Another french study which showed no benefit. 8 of 10 patients (originally 11, that patient died) had nasal swabs (+) despite HCQ + Azithro; this time with stats! 95% CI; [49-94]. A small study still, but stats were performed showing no significant improvement
3. This Chinese study, which i had to ctrl v into word and translate, showing no difference between HCQ and control, though again- still small:
One patient in HCQ group developed to severe during the treatment. On day 7, COVID-19 nucleic acid of throat swabs was negative in 13 (86.7%) cases in the HCQ group and 14 (93.3%) cases in the control group (P＞0.05). The median duration from hospitalization to virus nucleic acid negative conservation was 4 (1-9) days in HCQ group, which is comparable to that in the control group [2 (1-4) days, (U = 83.5, P ＞ 0.05)]. The median time for body temperature normalization in HCQ group was 1 (0-2) after hospitalization, which was also comparable to that in the control group 1 (0-3).

If I've missed some materials send em my way. As far as I know (and Dr. Fauci as of 4/5) the evidence is "suggestive at best" as he put it. I'm not saying to skip treatment altogether. What I am saying is the data is not there at all, and being a medical mind, I can't confidently say anything positive about this therapy other than "we have to hope something sticks"

 

[Jack Straw]

The House should freeze the money until the person is put back in office with full powers. No way Trump gets to decide what happens with those funds without House supervision.

He's being replaced by the current inspector general at EPA.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...0c6cb8-78ea-11ea-9bee-c5bf9d2e3288_story.html

This guy apparently had bipartisan support when he was nominated for the position at EPA:

Lawyer Tapped to Oversee EPA Ethics Gets Hero's Welcome

 

[Embiid]

Trump removes independent watchdog for coronavirus funds, upending oversight panel

The move comes as Trump makes a broad push against inspectors general scrutinizing his actions.

Trump removes independent watchdog for coronavirus funds, upending oversight panel

Chairman Trump and his politburo will get to decide winners and losers among the crony capitalist financial oligarchs...

I mean can this guy be anymore transparent??

 

[deadhead]

I wouldn't trust any evaluation of Trump's wealth in the first place, this is the man who inflated his wealth in statements to Deutsche Bank.
Deutsche Bank found Trump inflated his assets by up to 70 percent, was not the billionaire he claimed to be
The Secret That Was Hiding in Trump’s Taxes

 

[Embiid]

He's being replaced by the current inspector general at EPA.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...0c6cb8-78ea-11ea-9bee-c5bf9d2e3288_story.html

This guy apparently had bipartisan support when he was nominated for the position at EPA:

Lawyer Tapped to Oversee EPA Ethics Gets Hero's Welcome

hmm...well let's see what he can actually accomplish to oversee the distribution of the treasure chest booty..

 

[Asnito]

Trivia question for everybody on here and anybody who gets it right I will personally deliver this to their house

If there is no election in November who will be president come Jan 20th, 2021?

Spoiler

[SPOILER="Trump, Pence and Pelosi are ineligible as they haven't been voted in. The next in the line who does not face voters in November is Chuck Grassley, the Senate’s president pro tempore. But 23 Republican senators are up for reelection this year so it would likely be Democratic Senator Pat Leahy, the Senate’s president pro tempore(oldest member of the majority party]

[/SPOILER]

 

[Beef Invictus]

Maybe we can cut back on some of the purely political chat in the next thread. This one feels lost.

 

[deadhead]

He's being replaced by the current inspector general at EPA.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...0c6cb8-78ea-11ea-9bee-c5bf9d2e3288_story.html

This guy apparently had bipartisan support when he was nominated for the position at EPA:

Lawyer Tapped to Oversee EPA Ethics Gets Hero's Welcome

Trump removes independent watchdog for coronavirus funds, upending oversight panel

O'Donnell will be both EPA and DOE IG?

"Yesterday, the President nominated Mr. Jason Abend for the position of DoD Inspector General," Allen said. "The same day, the President also designated Mr. Sean W. O'Donnell, who is the Environmental Protection Agency Inspector General (EPA IG), to serve as the Acting DoD IG in addition to his current duties at the EPA."

Abend, who has been nominated to take over as the permanent Pentagon inspector general, is a senior policy adviser with U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

But the Senate is out of session until at least April 20, and a shortened election-year calendar will give the Senate Armed Services Committee precious little time to confirm Abend, meaning O’Donnell may be in for an extended stay at the Pentagon.

 

[DAVIDE1333]

Chairman Trump and his politburo will get to decide winners and losers among the crony capitalist financial oligarchs...

I mean can this guy be anymore transparent??

Let's not pretend all presidents don't pick winners and losers. Just read an article from CNBC titled "Obama Rewards Losers, Punishes Winners".

 

[Asnito]

Maybe we can cut back on some of the purely political chat in the next thread. This one feels lost.

But you said you wanted to do a political thread?

I'll reduce my contributions in that department.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Trump removes independent watchdog for coronavirus funds, upending oversight panel

O'Donnell will be both EPA and DOE IG?

"Yesterday, the President nominated Mr. Jason Abend for the position of DoD Inspector General," Allen said. "The same day, the President also designated Mr. Sean W. O'Donnell, who is the Environmental Protection Agency Inspector General (EPA IG), to serve as the Acting DoD IG in addition to his current duties at the EPA."

Abend, who has been nominated to take over as the permanent Pentagon inspector general, is a senior policy adviser with U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

But the Senate is out of session until at least April 20, and a shortened election-year calendar will give the Senate Armed Services Committee precious little time to confirm Abend, meaning O’Donnell may be in for an extended stay at the Pentagon.

Having people doing several jobs at once is one of the reasons this response is such a disaster.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Firing up Halo:CE remastered. Reach was decent. The voice acting kind of killed it a bit for me.

It took me to long to remember that if you run in a straight line towards anything but a grunt for more than like 1 step, they stick a grenade to you.

 

[deadhead]

Let's not pretend all presidents don't pick winners and losers. Just read an article from CNBC titled "Obama Rewards Losers, Punishes Winners".

But they don't go out of their way to cripple oversight.
No other administration as been as blatant or extreme in their behavior, by an order of magnitude.
The only saving grace has been their general incompetence, and the constraints placed by the Administrative Procedures Act.

There is always a certain amount of politics in policy, and usually it's a "give and take," the ruling party and their friends gets more, but everyone gets some. One reason for federalism is to ensure that no one gets so much power that the "outs" feel the social contract is broken.

What we're seeing is GOT type behavior, from egregious voter suppression, to playing politics with people's lives.

This kind of behavior tears at the very fabric of society, and threatens to take us down the road to a banana republic - if elections are fixed, no one trusts the results, if it becomes "winner take all" then all restraint will be thrown to the wind.

The end result will be fascism or another variant on authoritarian government.

 

[DAVIDE1333]

But they don't go out of their way to cripple oversight.
No other administration as been as blatant or extreme in their behavior, by an order of magnitude.
The only saving grace has been their general incompetence, and the constraints placed by the Administrative Procedures Act.

There is always a certain amount of politics in policy, and usually it's a "give and take," the ruling party and their friends gets more, but everyone gets some. One reason for federalism is to ensure that no one gets so much power that the "outs" feel the social contract is broken.

What we're seeing is GOT type behavior, from egregious voter suppression, to playing politics with people's lives.

This kind of behavior tears at the very fabric of society, and threatens to take us down the road to a banana republic - if elections are fixed, no one trusts the results, if it becomes "winner take all" then all restraint will be thrown to the wind.

The end result will be fascism or another variant on authoritarian government.

So now you want Federalism.

 

[deadhead]

Trivia question for everybody on here and anybody who gets it right I will personally deliver this to their house

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If there is no election in November who will be president come Jan 20th, 2021?

Spoiler

[SPOILER="Trump, Pence and Pelosi are ineligible as they haven't been voted in. The next in the line who does not face voters in November is Chuck Grassley, the Senate’s president pro tempore. But 23 Republican senators are up for reelection this year so it would likely be Democratic Senator Pat Leahy, the Senate’s president pro tempore(oldest member of the majority party]

[/SPOILER]

Which is why there will be an election, if McConnell has to go and get COVID-19 to ensure it.

 

[Kermit the Prog]

Probably already mentioned, but Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham is out. A nothingburger, she still looks strikingly like my old fiancee, complete with problems with alcohol. Same with Eva Green (without the alcohol problems, AFAIK).

How Stephanie Grisham made a mockery of the job of White House press secretary - CNNPolitics

I'd hit it for a long weekend before ghosting.

 

[deadhead]

So now you want Federalism.

We have a federalist system, it's not a matter of "wanting it."
The Founding Fathers built it that way, but made the Federal Government supreme, because of their experience with the Articles of Confederation.
And most government is state and local, despite people who think the Feds do everything.
Police, fire, public works, schools, health, etc.

Go read a good Con Law textbook.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Maybe we can cut back on some of the purely political chat in the next thread. This one feels lost.

The Whigs are traitorous swine and I will not be silenced.

 

[DAVIDE1333]

We have a federalist system, it's not a matter of "wanting it."
The Founding Fathers built it that way, but made the Federal Government supreme, because of their experience with the Articles of Confederation.
And most government is state and local, despite people who think the Feds do everything.
Police, fire, public works, schools, health, etc.

Go read a good Con Law textbook.

I agree. 90% of the people commenting on this thread want a federal takeover of just about everything.

 

[kudymen]

This feels strawmenny. Nice.

 

[Chinatown88]

Any Dixiecrats in here?

 

[DancingPanther]

Fascinating how the majority of the people on this board can differentiate (and/or separate) between the governments incompetence in responding to this outbreak from political party affiliation. Whereas, one particular poster puts forth a bad faith argument that no other reasonable posters on here would even consider conjuring up.

This poster lives for this kinda nonsense. Never fails to show up in Every. Single. Thread.

None. Of. This. Is. Surprising.

Might not be surprising, but it is shocking

 

[trostol]

Firing up Halo:CE remastered. Reach was decent. The voice acting kind of killed it a bit for me.

It took me to long to remember that if you run in a straight line towards anything but a grunt for more than like 1 step, they stick a grenade to you.

Reach was my favorite Halo yet