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[Hollywood Cannon]

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2. General Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion (Non-Hockey Related) - Part 5​

Welcome to the COVID-19 Forum. This is going to be an all consuming subject for some time. We think it deserves its own forum.
This forum is not limited to hockey-related talk.
You may critique the response of government but don't make it political.
Posts attributing motives because it involves this or that political party/politician/ideology will not be tolerated.
Examples:
Allowed: "Trump doesn't know what he's doing, the response was too little too late"
Not Allowed: "The only reason the response was so slow was to keep the stock prices high so he can get reelected"
Allowed: "The media is over-reporting this and it's going to make things worse"
Not Allowed: "The liberal media is over-reporting this because they're trying to bring down Trump"

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Be careful what you link to, treat it like the trade forum we don't want to spread bad information.
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[Chinatown88]

 

[Curufinwe]

LeBrun: Fans engage in tug-of-war over when NHL should...

there is a large financial incentive to conduct a postseason, even with no fans in the stands. According to sources, a significant portion of the NHL’s national broadcast/media revenue is generated during the playoffs. And there’s also sponsorship revenue dedicated to the playoffs as well. That revenue can still be preserved.

How much? I’m told between $400 million to $500 million. However, after I speculated those numbers on “Insider Trading” on Thursday, another industry source told me those numbers were a tad ambitious. Either way, there’s significant money tied to the completion of the playoffs.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Let me state that I want to sell pretty much all of my positions right now but i'm not going to. We'll see in the future if this was smart or dumb.

 

[Jack Straw]

Excuse me, could someone tell me where to find the exploding kittens thread?

 

[deadhead]

As of last night:

John Hopkins, 662,045 confirmed, 28,998 dead, 4.38% mortality rate
3,420,394 tested (though some may be multiples, especially health workers)

CDC (day lag) 632,220 confirmed, 26,930 dead, an additional 4,141 probable but not confirmed
4.25% mortality of confirmed, 4.91% including probable.

Even if half of infected aren't counted, that's a mortality rate > 2%, 2017-18 flu had a mortality rate of 0.13%

Hey, but lets open the country up without rapid and accurate testing (results within a few hours) universally available, no resources for tracing (especially across state lines) and no authority and monitoring in place to enforce isolation.

If you watch the John Hopkins map by population (rate, not total cases) you see an interesting phenomena of hot spots starting to appear away from the big metro centers - in two weeks I predict the rates in these areas will be similar to the big cities.

COVID-19 United States Cases by County

I'm staying home, but feel free to die for me.

 

[DancingPanther]

Let me state that I want to sell pretty much all of my positions right now but i'm not going to. We'll see in the future if this was smart or dumb.

I really should cut my OGEN losses instead of waiting for some green candlestick

 

[Curufinwe]

If anyone you know tries to give you medical advice based on something they heard from Dr Drew, Dr Phil or Dr Oz, immediately and permanently cease all contact with that person.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

As of last night:

John Hopkins, 662,045 confirmed, 28,998 dead, 4.38% mortality rate
3,420,394 tested (though some may be multiples, especially health workers)

CDC (day lag) 632,220 confirmed, 26,930 dead, an additional 4,141 probable but not confirmed
4.25% mortality of confirmed, 4.91% including probable.

Even if half of infected aren't counted, that's a mortality rate > 2%, 2017-18 flu had a mortality rate of 0.13%

Hey, but lets open the country up without rapid and accurate testing (results within a few hours) universally available, no resources for tracing (especially across state lines) and no authority and monitoring in place to enforce isolation.

If you watch the John Hopkins map by population (rate, not total cases) you see an interesting phenomena of hot spots starting to appear away from the big metro centers - in two weeks I predict the rates in these areas will be similar to the big cities.

COVID-19 United States Cases by County

I'm staying home, but feel free to die for me.

I think by now it's gotten through to most people. There are still going to be your idiots that are on the verge of tears for not being able to find lawn fertilizer or protest because they want to get their hair dyed, but it feels like a lunatic fringe now.

This could also be because I've cut the idiots out of my life wherever possible and I don't have a Facebook, but here's hoping.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I really should cut my OGEN losses instead of waiting for some green candlestick

I want to sell because I think it's going to collapse again.

I'm up on basically all of the positions and want to buy back in at that point but i'll ride the high for now.

 

[deadhead]

I see a Biden landslide if this continues:

What Matters: The social-distancing deniers have arrived - CNNPolitics

Some Trump supporters will have to vote Chicago style (Trump's highest support is white males over 50, do the math).

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I'm just going to say this...

The coming election has very little to nothing to do with the Coronavirus. Please don't discuss it.

 

[Curufinwe]

People talk about "China" covering up how bad the virus was, but it's a bit more complicated than that.

W.H.O., Now Trump’s Scapegoat, Warned About Coronavirus Early and Often

A crucial turning point in the pandemic came on Jan. 20, after China’s central government sent the country’s most famous epidemiologist, Zhong Nanshan, to Wuhan to investigate the new coronavirus racing through that city of 11 million people. Dr. Zhong delivered a startling message on national television: Local officials had covered up the seriousness of the outbreak, the contagion spread quickly between people, doctors were dying and everyone should avoid the city.

Dr. Zhong, an eccentric 83-year-old who led the fight against the SARS outbreak of 2002 and 2003, was one of few people in China with enough standing to effectively call Wuhan’s mayor, Zhou Xianwang, a rising official in the Communist Party, a liar.

 

[Starat327]

I think by now it's gotten through to most people. There are still going to be your idiots that are on the verge of tears for not being able to find lawn fertilizer or protest because they want to get their hair dyed, but it feels like a lunatic fringe now.

This could also be because I've cut the idiots out of my life wherever possible and I don't have a Facebook, but here's hoping.

I present to you - the state of michigan.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I present to you - the state of michigan.

I think you can tell from my post that I watched the video, but that's a few thousand people in a state with a population of ~10 Million. There are always going to be idiots. We can only hope for that being the strong minority and that they don't kill the rest of us.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

God forbid you hear a different perspective.

The fact is COVID-19 is drastically less deadly in the US than the wildly incorrect models upon which the shutdown of an entire country was based.

The original purpose of the shutdown was to “flatten the curve” to prevent hospitals from being overrun.

Well, the curve ended up being way flatter than expected. NY is now giving ventilators away. CA, for all of its population, has emerged relatively unscathed. But now it’s gone to a bait & switch of not flattening the curve, but extinguishing the virus altogether. Keeping the country & economy shut down in an effort to completely eradicate this virus is unfeasible & a grossly disproportionate response to the threat.

I guarantee that when all is said & done the true US death rate from COVID-19 is ~ 0.5%.

This is a multi-faceted equation, not single-faceted. It’s not just about preventing as many deaths as possible in the immediate present. There are a multitude of factors & ripple effects. We’d ban driving if preventing all deaths at all costs took precedence over everything.

But life inherently has risk. And it’s always a balancing act, not all or nothing.

What this health scare should remind everyone is the need to maintain a baseline of decent health, as the overwhelming majority of deaths are due to existing health problems — obesity & diabetes being among the most highly correlated.

 

[mja]

I think you can tell from my post that I watched the video, but that's a few thousand people in a state with a population of ~10 Million. There are always going to be idiots. We can only hope for that being the strong minority and that they don't kill the rest of us.

An old George Carlin line comes to mind, something about never underestimating the power of stupid people in large groups.

 

[Starat327]

I think you can tell from my post that I watched the video, but that's a few thousand people in a state with a population of ~10 Million. There are always going to be idiots. We can only hope for that being the strong minority and that they don't kill the rest of us.

Oh, I know. I just really wanted to take a cheap shot at Michigan.

 

[deadhead]

I think you can tell from my post that I watched the video, but that's a few thousand people in a state with a population of ~10 Million. There are always going to be idiots. We can only hope for that being the strong minority and that they don't kill the rest of us.

Obviously, you never spent much time in Texas.
Lot's and lot's of idiots, starting with the Governor and Lt Governor.
Rugged individualism, meet the COVID-19 virus.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

An old George Carlin line comes to mind, something about never underestimating the power of stupid people in large groups.

Sigh. You're not wrong. But it makes it so difficult to have real conversations when you have to account for lunacy.

We could be talking about where we could be doing tiny cascading rollouts or how we're going to try to adapt the workforce so that people can eat. Instead, people protest and show their grey roots as evidence of hardship and we all sink into the quagmire together.

 

[Chinatown88]

Your daily dose of cute animal vid/gif, I used to do this as a kid edition.

 

[deadhead]

I guarantee that when all is said & done the true US death rate from COVID-19 is ~ 0.5%.

Would you bet your life on that?
Or the lives of your loved ones?

How can you "guarantee" anything without massive testing, both for infections and anti-bodies, and studies of immunity?

It's quite possible the true death rate will be much lower, IF social distancing continues long enough for first a treatment to be developed (lowering the death rate) and eventually a vaccine.

On the other hand, if the "Red" states, with a high proportion of older, obese citizens with health conditions, open up prematurely, without adequate hospital capacity (a lot of rural areas will be quickly overwhelmed), the rate could actually rise.

We're still in the Rumsfeld "unknown unknowns" phase of the pandemic.

 

[Starat327]

Sigh. You're not wrong. But it makes it so difficult to have real conversations when you have to account for lunacy.

We could be talking about where we could be doing tiny cascading rollouts or how we're going to try to adapt the workforce so that people can eat. Instead, people protest and show their grey roots as evidence of hardship and we all sink into the quagmire together.

Curious how you think this'll affect your line of business -- We're doing some revenue modeling/forecasting for whatever the new 'normal' ends up being, and they all kind of revolve around x% of the workforce continuing to work from home even after all this is done. It's less overhead for the company, a great perk for the employee, etc. Obviously, that has corresponding effects on your side of things - are you guys getting increased requests for stuff along those lines?

 

[Starat327]

Your daily dose of cute animal vid/gif, I used to do this as a kid edition.

NEED

 

[deadhead]

Why the smart Governors will ignore the White House:

Lessons from Hokkaido's return to virus lockdown