Speculation: All-encompassing Ristolainen Thread

[mike8219]

To BUF: Puljujarvi
to EDM: Ristolainen

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

To BUF: Puljujarvi
to EDM: Ristolainen

To EDM: Bogosian
To BUF: RNH

 

[duckpuck]

Personal opinion is Risto is moved at the trade deadline. JMJB squeezes some extra value out of the trade, Risto gets his wishes, and everyone is happy.


Of course, it's contingent on the Sabres position in the standings along with Risto's numbers up to that point.

Doesn't Buf have 5-6 RHD who are ready for the NHL? In the meantime, your capped out. Yes I understand Bogosian is hurt, so perhaps they can manage the cap, but you're not adding anything significant because players on IR eventually come back (or you have to plan that they might). And in the meantime, how does that flawed roster actually play? Seems like an untenable situation, particularly when you consider Risto and potentially others will not be happy about playing time.

Juggling all of that to the trade deadline would be a recipe for disaster. Botterill has boxed himself in a corner and the truth is, Risto is a flawed player with some upside and a hefty contract. The return for that is not likely to be what a lot of Buf fans think it will be, particularly because Buf can't take much if any salary back. Not a lot of teams with cap room and those with it are rebuilding/retooling which means they're generally not interested in trading young/cheap assets for more expensive one.

 

[Yatzhee]

Doesn't Buf have 5-6 RHD who are ready for the NHL? In the meantime, your capped out. Yes I understand Bogosian is hurt, so perhaps they can manage the cap, but you're not adding anything significant because players on IR eventually come back (or you have to plan that they might). And in the meantime, how does that flawed roster actually play? Seems like an untenable situation, particularly when you consider Risto and potentially others will not be happy about playing time.

Juggling all of that to the trade deadline would be a recipe for disaster. Botterill has boxed himself in a corner and the truth is, Risto is a flawed player with some upside and a hefty contract. The return for that is not likely to be what a lot of Buf fans think it will be, particularly because Buf can't take much if any salary back. Not a lot of teams with cap room and those with it are rebuilding/retooling which means they're generally not interested in trading young/cheap assets for more expensive one.

Did it ever occur to you that talks on Risto between other teams and Botterill started in earnest before 2019?

Boxed himself in to a corner? Nope.

 

[Mattilaus]

Doesn't Buf have 5-6 RHD who are ready for the NHL? In the meantime, your capped out. Yes I understand Bogosian is hurt, so perhaps they can manage the cap, but you're not adding anything significant because players on IR eventually come back (or you have to plan that they might). And in the meantime, how does that flawed roster actually play? Seems like an untenable situation, particularly when you consider Risto and potentially others will not be happy about playing time.

Juggling all of that to the trade deadline would be a recipe for disaster. Botterill has boxed himself in a corner and the truth is, Risto is a flawed player with some upside and a hefty contract. The return for that is not likely to be what a lot of Buf fans think it will be, particularly because Buf can't take much if any salary back. Not a lot of teams with cap room and those with it are rebuilding/retooling which means they're generally not interested in trading young/cheap assets for more expensive one.

This post shows you have no idea what you are talking about. Send Wilson and Hunwick down to the AHL and we are cap compliant. No ifs ands or buts. The cap is not an issue and Risto isn't being traded for your scraps just because you don't understand this despite it being pointed out several times.

Risto has been a professional and play where he has a contract. He wants to get traded? Play well enough to be traded. That's it.

 

[tsujimoto74]

PSA: Your cap dumps and C level/bust prospects aren't getting you Ristolainen.

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

Connor Murphy
Aleksi Saarela
Evan Barrett

?

What are three things Buffalo has no interest in, Alex?

 

[fmrdh]

Ehlers
Roslovic

Ristolainen
Mittelstadt

 

[sabreforlife]

Proposal
To Detroit- Ristolainen
To Buffalo- Athanasiou
Straight Up or who needs to add?

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

Ehlers
Roslovic

Ristolainen
Mittelstadt

No...Buffalo would be a donut

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

NJ could trade one of McLeod or Zacha with a prospect and Mueller. Yes it is quantity but that will allow Buffalo to sign Gardiner.

 

[Djp]

Doesn't Buf have 5-6 RHD who are ready for the NHL? In the meantime, your capped out. Yes I understand Bogosian is hurt, so perhaps they can manage the cap, but you're not adding anything significant because players on IR eventually come back (or you have to plan that they might). And in the meantime, how does that flawed roster actually play? Seems like an untenable situation, particularly when you consider Risto and potentially others will not be happy about playing time.

Juggling all of that to the trade deadline would be a recipe for disaster. Botterill has boxed himself in a corner and the truth is, Risto is a flawed player with some upside and a hefty contract. The return for that is not likely to be what a lot of Buf fans think it will be, particularly because Buf can't take much if any salary back. Not a lot of teams with cap room and those with it are rebuilding/retooling which means they're generally not interested in trading young/cheap assets for more expensive one.

Buffalo doesn’t have a Ptoblem

At RD

Risto
Miller
Montour
Nelson
Bogosian on IR

Joki, Borgen have 2 ELC years left .

When Bogo comes back their could be other injuries.

On the left side buffalo has

Dahlin
McCabe
Scandella
Hunwick
Pilut on IR

Scandella, Hunwick, Bogo, and Nelson all have 1 yr left till UFA...they likely get traded first. Miller can play on left side.

What people forget...Montour is an RFA after the yr with 1 yr left before free agency. He could be traded if he’s asking for a lot more. He could be traded instead.

 

[Djp]

NJ could trade one of McLeod or Zacha with a prospect and Mueller. Yes it is quantity but that will allow Buffalo to sign Gardiner.

I don’t see buffalo signing a gardiner.

Buffalo has Dahlin, Pilut, McCabe for the bext 2 yrs.

Buffalo needs to trade Scandella snd McCabe to sign Gsrdiner who plays LD.

Buffalo is not looking to acquire roster Dmen in trading Ristolainen. Any D they acquire would be ED exempt.

 

[Snowman]

Ehlers
Roslovic

Ristolainen
Mittelstadt

Yuck. No from Winnipeg.

 

[Satanphonehome]

Yuck. No from Winnipeg.

because Risto has scored almost as many points as a defenceman than Ehlers did as a forward over the past four years?

because he’s bigger and stronger than Ehlers, makes less money, kills penalties, plays a more important position and scores just as much in the playoffs?

because Winnipeg needs RD far more than it needs wingers?

Or because Mittelstadt has always been a better prospect than Roslovic and had a better season at 20 playing in Buffalo than Roslovic had at 22 playing in Winnipeg?

At least you got the yuck part right.

 

[Snowman]

because Risto has scored almost as many points as a defenceman than Ehlers did as a forward over the past four years?

because he’s bigger and stronger than Ehlers, makes less money, kills penalties, plays a more important position and scores just as much in the playoffs?

because Winnipeg needs RD far more than it needs wingers?

Or because Mittelstadt has always been a better prospect than Roslovic and had a better season at 20 playing in Buffalo than Roslovic had at 22 playing in Winnipeg?

At least you got the yuck part right.

Actually, it's just because I'd rather the Jets keep the two best players in the deal.

 

[Zeke and luther]

Actually, it's just because I'd rather the Jets keep the two best players in the deal.

Why do you think roslovic is better than ristolainen?

 

[Snowman]

Why do you think roslovic is better than ristolainen?

Mainly because Roslovic still has tons of potential and could be or 2C. Plus if the Jets wanted a defenseman like Risto, we would have just kept Myers as he's a better version of Risto.

 

[Zeke and luther]

Mainly because Roslovic still has tons of potential and could be or 2C. Plus if the Jets wanted a defenseman like Risto, we would have just kept Myers as he's a better version of Risto.

So you think a dude who has 4th line stats and couldn't even beat out Bryan little as the 2C (who in your opinion has potential to be a 2nd line C) is better than the proven 40 point defender?

 

[Snowman]

So you think a dude who has 4th line stats and couldn't even beat out Bryan little as the 2C (who in your opinion has potential to be a 2nd line C) is better than the proven 40 point defender?

A 40 point "defender" that is actually useless at defending? Yes, definitely.

Just move on and try and dump Risto elsewhere.

 

[Buffdog]

So you think a dude who has 4th line stats and couldn't even beat out Bryan little as the 2C (who in your opinion has potential to be a 2nd line C) is better than the proven 40 point defender?

Fyi your 40 point defender was 172nd in dmen in ES PTS/60 last year. Not to mention his biggest talent in his own zone appears to be digging the puck out of his own net

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

Actually, it's just because I'd rather the Jets keep the two best players in the deal.

Mittlestadt has much more potential than Roslovic and is already a superior player at 20 yo.

 

[razor8]

Fyi your 40 point defender was 172nd in dmen in ES PTS/60 last year. Not to mention his biggest talent in his own zone appears to be digging the puck out of his own net

This. He's a defender who can't really defend. Not much use scoring points as a defender if you then give up way more goals than you score. you only win games if you actually score more than the opponent.

 

[Kranix]

What about Minny trades Spurgeon and Parise for Risto and some other stuff.

 

[tsujimoto74]

What about Minny trades Spurgeon and Parise for Risto and some other stuff.

Maybe if Spurgeon wasn't a pending UFA and Parise wasn't a cap catastrophe and the Sabres had ~$7M more cap space. So, no.