Proposal: All Bruins Trade Proposals VI

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LSCII

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Man id feel a sense of dread and overall hopelessness if i started my career in edmonton and then got traded to jersey

I have an mvp season and what happens?

Goalie falls apart?

Do we get a new goalie? Nothing deflates a team faster than having no goalie

Is there any reason to have faith in jerseys ownership? Is this the same clown that did the kovalchuk deal?

I got to see alot of hall in Edmonton... this kid breaths hockey. He knows hockeys history. He loved winning those memorial cups

I think maybe he parties a little too much? Is a little cliquish? But hes NEVER had support like bergeron, chara, marchand, krejci

Honestly if we got him, theres a bunch of you here that would be posting how wrong you were

Im not saying i think we will get him... but if we can, we must

He's a talented player, obviously, one of the most talented guys around, Mike. What I don't like about his game is what appears to me as him not being mentally tough. Rather than realizing he can only control what he himself does on the ice and in preparation for the season, he's pouting and playing disinterested hockey. That's a huge red flag to me. I mean really, what does it say about him that he's capable of playing a dominant, MVP caliber style of hockey when he chooses to, but only when he wants? Whomever gets him next season is going to benefit for that season, but what about the 9 years afterwards that they'll be on the hook for? Is he going to wake up and be happy enough to want to actually try hard, or is he going to go through the motions and half ass it instead because he's not happy? Big risk there, IMO.
 

Alberta_OReilly_Fan

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From the games I have watched the Bruins play the Devils, Coleman outplayed Hall. That is a player I wouldn't mind the Bruins taking a flyer on, but I doubt he is available.

Why is a rebuiding team with questionable finances getting rid of their good elc contracts?

For what its worth i think you named a good player
 

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Hall is no longer represented by Orr Hockey Group.

Darren Ferris represented Hall but left Orr Hockey Group in 2016 to form Definitive Hockey Group and eventually "stole" Hall from Orr's group. Ferris represents Hall now.

Quiet rumors out of NJ is Hall wants $11 million per season.

Oh, and who else does Ferris represent? None other then Mitch Marner. So I ask, do you want to negotiate with that? He's also Jack Studnicka's agent.

I'm going to tag @LSCII and @LouJersey because they love this crap.

For sure. We used to have a corporate guy come in here for season tickets and I said are you signing Hall (this was after his MVP season) and he told me he seemed like a max years 11-12 mil per guy so he would probably doubt it, but he may have been a broker and not worked for the team directly, I can't recall.
 

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I like arguments sarge :)

Why is hall an 8?

Kid is one of the top 10 wingers in nhl on anyones list... has an mvp trophy... has the heroics in his memorial cup history... drives his line as a ppg guy

Halls worst ever season is quite possibly better than debrusks career best season

I like debrusk. I hope he can be a steady good second liner

Hall is a guy you gameplan around and would be the most talented bruin if we got him... let him get his competitive mojo back playing with bergeron and marchand and its very likely he would be our best player

His contract is the only drawback... hes a 10

Hall is easily one of the most overrated players in the league. He has had one superb season and one very good one. Has scored over 30 goals once in what ten seasons now??? I know you watched a lot of him but I have as well now, and no way I give him max years in the double digits. I would give him a Skinner contract (A guy that you hate and mock who is a better goal scorer than Hall) if I really wanted to keep him (which I wouldn't)
 

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He's a talented player, obviously, one of the most talented guys around, Mike. What I don't like about his game is what appears to me as him not being mentally tough. Rather than realizing he can only control what he himself does on the ice and in preparation for the season, he's pouting and playing disinterested hockey. That's a huge red flag to me. I mean really, what does it say about him that he's capable of playing a dominant, MVP caliber style of hockey when he chooses to, but only when he wants? Whomever gets him next season is going to benefit for that season, but what about the 9 years afterwards that they'll be on the hook for? Is he going to wake up and be happy enough to want to actually try hard, or is he going to go through the motions and half ass it instead because he's not happy? Big risk there, IMO.

You have a fair concern. Im saying hes a product of a bad enviroment and could rebound. I saw dom post a concern he might be poisoned

These things can go either way

I could find a list of 50 guys who joined a winning team and blossomed. Im sure someone can find another list of 50 guys that crap the bed

Its such a homerun gamble though if it pays off...

We were after tavares... we were after kovalchuk... i think we are trying to gamble on something. To me, hall isa better gamble then those guys were
 
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From the games I have watched the Bruins play the Devils, Coleman outplayed Hall. That is a player I wouldn't mind the Bruins taking a flyer on, but I doubt he is available.

Couldn’t agree more. Ya he might top out as a 40 point guy but he flies, hits everything in sight and gets most of his production 5v5.

With that contract too...can’t see the Devils eager to move him at all.
 

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You have a fair concern. Im saying hes a product of a bad enviroment and could rebound. I saw dom post a concern he might be poisoned

These things can go either way

I could find a list of 50 guys who joined a winning team and blossomed. Im sure someone can find another list of 50 guys that crap the bed

Its such a homerun gamble though if it pays off...

We were after tavares... we were after kovalchuk... i think we are trying to gamble on something. To me, hall isa better gamble then those guys were

For someone that rags on guys like Joe Thornton, Seguin and Kessel what's the love affair with Hall for? He's cut from the same cloth, except for the fact he's a distant 4th in talent.
 

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Trading Debrusk and Gryz for Hall then signing him for $10M+ long term would be a very bad move.

See I thought the trade for Nash was a complete waste....but I would make this trade in heartbeat for Hall. Not sure signing him will work in Boston but for a rental. Why not?

The Rangers traded forward Rick Nash to the Boston Bruins for forwards Ryan Spooner and Matt Beleskey and a first-round pick in the draft in June, the Rangers announced on Sunday.
The Rangers also received a college defenseman, Ryan Lindgren, and Boston’s seventh-round pick in the 2019 draft. The Rangers had been expected for weeks to trade Nash, 33, who will become an unrestricted free agent after the season.
 

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You have a fair concern. Im saying hes a product of a bad enviroment and could rebound. I saw dom post a concern he might be poisoned

These things can go either way

I could find a list of 50 guys who joined a winning team and blossomed. Im sure someone can find another list of 50 guys that crap the bed

Its such a homerun gamble though if it pays off...

We were after tavares... we were after kovalchuk... i think we are trying to gamble on something. To me, hall isa better gamble then those guys were

I never said that here or publicly anywhere. What I did say here was a quote from an actual General Manager.

The only negative thing I've ever said about Hall was back in 2010 and that was (paraphrasing) "I hope the Oilers pick Taylor Hall first overall and the Bruins grab Seguin. Oilers can have him."
 

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See I thought the trade for Nash was a complete waste....but I would make this trade in heartbeat for Hall. Not sure signing him will work in Boston but for a rental. Why not?

The Rangers traded forward Rick Nash to the Boston Bruins for forwards Ryan Spooner and Matt Beleskey and a first-round pick in the draft in June, the Rangers announced on Sunday.
The Rangers also received a college defenseman, Ryan Lindgren, and Boston’s seventh-round pick in the 2019 draft. The Rangers had been expected for weeks to trade Nash, 33, who will become an unrestricted free agent after the season.
If Debrusk is traded for a rental Sweeney should be fired.
 

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Darren Ferris:
*Mitchell Marner
Taylor Hall
Zach Bogosian
*Andreas Athanasiou
Sam Bennet
Matt Nieto
*Josh Anderson

Filip Zadina ELC
Victor Mete ELC
Jack Studnicka ELC

The three players with *s are those who are noted for holding out on their last contract.

If you are Sweeney do you allow that little thought at the back of your head of "Is he going to hold out after his ELC ends" to grow?
 
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Why is a rebuiding team with questionable finances getting rid of their good elc contracts?

For what its worth i think you named a good player
They won't which is the problem :laugh:

But I do think that is the kind of player Sweeney should be looking to acquire. Not necessarily a star player like Hall is known to be, but a good player that is able to produce and make a difference as a middle 6 forward.
 

LSCII

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You have a fair concern. Im saying hes a product of a bad enviroment and could rebound. I saw dom post a concern he might be poisoned

These things can go either way

I could find a list of 50 guys who joined a winning team and blossomed. Im sure someone can find another list of 50 guys that crap the bed

Its such a homerun gamble though if it pays off...

We were after tavares... we were after kovalchuk... i think we are trying to gamble on something. To me, hall isa better gamble then those guys were

Yeah, anything is absolutely possible. I think the red flag his attitude raises is more of a negative then anything and would scare me off if I were a prospective team. It's like a far pricier example of Michael Ryder. He was great for MTL for a few years, and then stunk. They let him go and he signed here and was really good that first season. He followed that up by stinking for two years, and they let him walk after finally benching the guy for a lack of effort in his final season here. He leaves, and goes to Dallas where he lights it up. And then fell right back to earth the following season. I know this is a long way to go to say that players that play only when they're motivated are more times than not, problematic. But that's what it is, IMO.

I think this is what Hall is on the path to becoming. He may finally get out of NJ and go nutty scoring early and often for his new team. But at some point, his desire to go all out all the time will wane, and he'll go back to playing disinterested hockey. That's why you see his swings in goals and points fluctuate so much. Not because he's not talented enough to be consistent, but because he's simply not that motivated. He has the skills and could easily be a consistently dominant player in this league. He just lacks the mental capacity grind it out to be that though.
 

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Hall is easily one of the most overrated players in the league. He has had one superb season and one very good one. Has scored over 30 goals once in what ten seasons now??? I know you watched a lot of him but I have as well now, and no way I give him max years in the double digits. I would give him a Skinner contract (A guy that you hate and mock who is a better goal scorer than Hall) if I really wanted to keep him (which I wouldn't)

I think you are trolling me lou

hall has 206 goals and 326 assists for 532 points in 588 games
skinner has in 100 extra games has 255 goals and only 459 points

halls ppg is .904
skinner is .666

hall has in fact had 4 seasons where he was well above a point per game... so I have no idea where this bizzare idea he has 1 great season comes from.

are you saying his injury prone? I suppose that wouldnt be a bizzare argument.

after hall left that zoo in Edmonton he has played 207 games and has 204 points

he is 17th in ppg in the entire nhl in that time period... who else is on this list?

connor McDavid... yeah that guy
nikita kucherov... pretty good
brad marchand... we like him
Evgeni malkin... theres a pattern developing
Sidney crosby
Patrick kane… yeah hes ok
steven stamkos
leon draisatl
david pastrnak
aleksander Barkov... surprised hes here???
jack Eichel
artemi panarin… a comparable for sure
alex ovechkin
mark scheifld
johnny gaudreau
blake wheeler
and then... mr hall

thats the company that has produced at the same rate as hall over the last 4 seasons...

any of those other guys play with as crappy as linemates as hall had to suffer?

skinner? really lou? skinner?
 
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BigBadBruins7708

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You have a fair concern. Im saying hes a product of a bad enviroment and could rebound. I saw dom post a concern he might be poisoned

These things can go either way

I could find a list of 50 guys who joined a winning team and blossomed. Im sure someone can find another list of 50 guys that crap the bed

Its such a homerun gamble though if it pays off...

We were after tavares... we were after kovalchuk... i think we are trying to gamble on something. To me, hall isa better gamble then those guys were

If it happens to a player at 1 stop it's the environment, but when it follows that player to his next team, it's the player.

There's a reason why Hall led teams picked 1st overall 5x and counting.
 

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If there is any current GM that believes "don't acquire players from a 'losing culture'" then some smart GM should absolutely take advantage of that rube in a deal. Repeatedly.
 

LSCII

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For someone that rags on guys like Joe Thornton, Seguin and Kessel what's the love affair with Hall for? He's cut from the same cloth, except for the fact he's a distant 4th in talent.

What's more beneficial to your team?

A guy that has season by season point totals of: 80, 38, 65, 53, 93

or

A guy that has season by season point totals of: 84, 77, 73, 72, 78, 80

You pick and tell me what's more preferable to your team if you're trying to plan accordingly? The guy with the higher highs but a lack of consistency or the guy with the consistent totals, but slightly less in terms of highs?
 

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For someone that rags on guys like Joe Thornton, Seguin and Kessel what's the love affair with Hall for? He's cut from the same cloth, except for the fact he's a distant 4th in talent.

ive always said a team can have one crappy attitude guy on a team if that guy is a brake glass and create offense type of guy. I think i gave kessel his props in Pittsburgh and agreed that if you bury a guy like that on the depth chart he can help you win

I know I have thrown props to peter klima many times

and I even said I thought vladamir rudzicka could have been good for us...

where there becomes a problem is when this type of player is... grown deep in the roots... gets into the leadership mix... becomes an example to follow for his teammates

hall definitely has red flags

andrew ference who i respect as much as any hockey player ever... went to Edmonton and immediately feuded with hall

nail yakupov when he left Edmonton was in tears over how a hall led locker room ostrocised him

there were some rumors that the way Edmonton was running things... they were basically telling everyone come party... recreate the boys on the bus. when Edmonton was recruiting Justin Schultz they sent hall to visit him and tell him come to Edmonton it will be a party

the reason I overlook these warning signs... I heard this kid speak. I heard him speak a lot. I heard him do a lot of interviews.

hes well spoken. he knows hockey history. he cares about hockey history

thornton/kessel/seguin joined a proud organization and said sorry not for me... I dont want to work hard and live up to expectations. they could have ruined everything we had if we didnt ice them

hall was taken into a couple pure crap organizations... hes never ever had any leadership around him to take his hand and guide him. he was told its ok to party. Edmonton cut ference off at the knees the second he began to feud with hall.

id like to see hall get a chance to get guidance from chara and Bergeron before I write this kid off... his memorial cup performance was legendary when he was on a good team with leadership to guide him
 
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Alberta_OReilly_Fan

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What's more beneficial to your team?

A guy that has season by season point totals of: 80, 38, 65, 53, 93

or

A guy that has season by season point totals of: 84, 77, 73, 72, 78, 80

You pick and tell me what's more preferable to your team if you're trying to plan accordingly? The guy with the higher highs but a lack of consistency or the guy with the consistent totals, but slightly less in terms of highs?
some of thats games played right?
 

maxl7

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If it happens to a player at 1 stop it's the environment, but when it follows that player to his next team, it's the player.

There's a reason why Hall led teams picked 1st overall 5x and counting.

This is preposterously insane thinking.
 

Alberta_OReilly_Fan

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I never said that here or publicly anywhere. What I did say here was a quote from an actual General Manager.

The only negative thing I've ever said about Hall was back in 2010 and that was (paraphrasing) "I hope the Oilers pick Taylor Hall first overall and the Bruins grab Seguin. Oilers can have him."
sorry I wasnt more clear in my language dom... I just meant you raised a concern that there is a train of thought out there that his bad culture has tainted him and you are on the side of the fence that puts some credence in that
 
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