Proposal: All Bruins Trade Proposals IV

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  1. Mr. Make-Believe Pass me another nail

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    I “like”d this message, but more for the thought process than actually genuinely liking it.

    I do see what you’re seeing (they believe last year was their shot - now the plan is future/future/future), but I believe that assessment to be inaccurate.

    Fact is, having your stars signed to sweetheart deals should give you cap flexibility to add quality support. But when that space is filled with bottom-of-the-roster free agent additions, it neutralizes the advantage.

    Can’t use the cap as an excuse when the wounds are self-inflicted. And partly because of that, it appears as though they are pivoting early. It strikes me as being a mistake.
     
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    I agree and disagree.

    I still think Bruins' management believes this group has one more run in them. If they didn't, we may have seen guys like Krejci, Krug, Chara and/or Marchand dealt this offseason. However, the Bruins are in a weird place right now. I think they know what they have in their center and defensive prospects in terms of where they are in their development. I think there are more questions at wing.

    Where do Bjork, Cehlarik, Senyshyn, Kuhlman, and Fitzgerald stand? Excluding Kuhlman (who also looks like he is ready to make the jump), the rest have been in the organization for quite some time. They should be on the cusp of winning a position in the NHL. Management probably has a good idea where they are in their development, and I think that may have played a part in not committing to someone like Johansson who is nearing his 30s (injury history is there too) and most likely would have not been a long-term member of the Bruins' core moving forward. They are better off seeing what they have rather than committing roster space to someone without a future on the team.

    In my opinion, I would still like to see Sweeney add another forward, but it has to be someone young and someone that could potentially be a part of the next Bruins' core. Gusev may fit that criteria as he would be the next wave of veterans for the Bruins like Krug.
     
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    Sorry I'm a bit confused. Are you saying you think they are pivoting to focus on the future, and that's a mistake. Or are you saying the theory that they're shifting their focus to the future is not accurate?

    I agree, having those sweetheart deals should make them more aggressive, not less. But I also recognize that Krejci is 33 and Bergeron is 34. As far back as I cared to look (which was 25 years) there's never been a Cup winner with their top2 centers in their mid-30's. I also think that at some point in the next 12 months at least one of Frederic/Studnicka are going to be NHL ready.

    Sweeney is a player development guy, who's vision of the team is different than what we see on a nightly basis. He's drafted and developed a succession plan that is just about NHL ready. If that were you, would you be making moves to support the current core or setting things up for your long-range vision to come to fruition in the next 6 to 18 months?
     
  4. Mr. Make-Believe Pass me another nail

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    I see where that was confused. Sorry about that. I edited my post for clarity. Management may believe that, but they are wrong to.

    It's one year too early and it's one easy play. Eat just that little bit of shit and give Chara the send-off he deserves. Or at least a chance at it.
     
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    I don't think they need to have a firesale to shift their focus. It's about what they're willing to commit (or not commit) resources to.

    Sweeney's plan has never been firesale, it's draft, develop, and transition to the new guys when they're ready. He's gradually transitioned the defense to a mobile, puckmoving group. He wants speed on the wings and has pieces in place in Marchand, Pasta and DeBrusk. Maybe Bjork and Kuhlman will join that group this year. When the centers are ready, who are they going to replace? Not Bergeron, I expect he'll be re-signed every year until he's 40.

    It's also about Sweeney's vision. He wants to get his size/strength from center and his slippery skill and speed on the wing. But Krejci is slippery and skillsy in the middle, and likes to play with size/strength on the wing. So if they signed a Ferland type to play with Krejci, that might have worked well this year, but I don't think it's what they want the lineup to look like in a year or two. Ritchie, on a one year deal kind of bridges that gap. If he works out, he could be the winger Krejci likes and

    Again, it's just a theory. I'm arguing one side, but I'm just doing that to hash it all out.
     
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    I agree. Hopefully they do something before the season or at the deadline to give them one more chance. :crossfing
     
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    I think Sweeney believes better options will come his way.
    There's also the fact that he wants acquisitions to be the right fit for the team.
    See how the team performs with the kids, adapt and then do a trade or 2 for the right players. Then there's the deadline.

    Like he did last season.
    Sweeney, the organization and the players want another shot at the cup.

    I don't believe Sweeney will fold. He'll do what it takes for another run without gambling the future.
     
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  8. Deal Law I would love to QEF your PFIC

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    I want to take this post out to dinner, treat it to a nice bottle of Shiraz and then propose to it. That's how much I like it.
     
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    They *seem* to be worrying more about next season as far as money than this current one. You'll have year 2 of the Carlo/Mac deals and you need to re up Krug, Coyle and DeBrusk. The plan is obviously again to deal at the deadline for a rental and hope to catch MoJo lightning in a bottle I guess.

    I think you need to go for it this year. You have a 7 and 8 defenseman making over 5 mil. You have Backes at 6 mil. You have Buyouts at 3 mil.

    You really playing this season with 14 mil of "dead" cap space?

    Backes and Moore may be put on LTIR meaning the Bruins have 18 million right now. For some unknown reason they love Miller and he will be here...Guessing high end, 7 mil and 4 mil for the two D leaves 7 mil, but Moore will come back at some point.

    Feels a heck of a lot like 2012 when the Bruins did nothing that summer. Sweeney won't go into a year long hibernation like Chia did though IMO.
     
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    The Moore & Miller recovery times allow opportunity to evaluate where our defensive depth (and health) is for this season. If Lauzon & Urho & Zboril (are still here?) and look like they're ready to go the first part of the year, that makes it easier to move both Moore & Miller for non roster assets, freeing up cap space and assets for a deadline pickup.

    How important is it to avoid rolling bonuses over to the next season? Kick that can down the road a year I guess.
     
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    Well at least there something out-there on Backes even if it is coming from Jimmmy Murphy.

    Makes me wonder on how legit it is though, and if Murphys source comes from within his bath-room walls as he gazes into his mirror, but the Devils do have the Cap space. On the other hand, why would the devils want to eat up space towards next year when Hall and Vatanen hits the UFA market, and Hischier becomes an RFA. It would be like taking a step backwards after taking two ahead, this year. Perhaps Shero feels Backes leadership will help the young Devils in Hughes and Hischier, which would make some sense, and I'd like to see it happen, but not at the expense of this years first.
     
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    Thanks for the crum of hockey info, even if it is from someone as unreputable as Jimmy Thin-Shins.
     
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    Hall has started to pull a Panarin and stated he may not want to resign with New Jersey. So the Devils may pull a Columbus and go all in for this season before losing him to Free Agency next summer.

    Here is a tidbit that all that is coming from:
    "You want to play on the best team possible, and I’ve played nine seasons in the NHL and only won one playoff game."

    NJ knows if they dont get competativethis season they will lose Hall.
     
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    Well getting Backes sure isn't going to help.
     
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    No but who goes with Backes to take his contract may
     
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    If this were to happen I could see Trent Frederic being the main part of the sweetener added, as he could be the perfect 3rd line center for the future behind Hughes and Hischier maybe add in Zboril as well. If it is roster players they would want Grizz and maybe Nordstrom, I would hate to give up Grizz, but if it meant not retaining any salary to get rid of Backes and not giving up any top picks or certain prospects I would do it.
     
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    They wouldn't move Frederic in a deal for Schenn. Doubt they move him to dump Backes.
    Gryz is way, way too much to dump Backes.
     
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    Any dumping of Backes will more than likely require sending 2020 1st round pick + average prospect

    I would make the deal fwiw. And Taylor Hall isn't re-signing in NJ.

    To NJ: Backes + 2020 1st + Fitzgerald or Blidh

    To BOS: 2020 4th
     
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    I would do that.
     
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    If you're convinced Lauko is the real thing then yes
    It's a near perfect one for one
     
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    hes got me sold so far...
     
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    If Lauko ends up a 25-goal scorer, then yes, I'd also be open to swapping Debrusk for Boeser.
     
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    DS already said he does not want to trade their top picks, so it would have to be a roster player or prospect(s)
     
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