Proposal: All Bruins Trade Proposals IV

[Yeti34]

Maroon is holding out for a two year deal. Wants to stay in St Louis.

He has no less then half a dozen offers on the table - all for one year.

Do you want him for two years?

It depends on how much he is asking for. If he is looking for around 2.75 or less per year for two years I would do that.

 

[Tbaybruin]

I'm on the team who think its crazy that Vaak and Studnicka would be an ok trade for Anderson, some even saying they'd add more to get the deal done.
I don't think Anderson ever scores 30 goals in this league. That's not me diminishing his value but we're talking Vaak who is likely a top 2 pairing defender and Studnicka who's a 2-3C in the NHL.

As we have seen with Lucic, big bodies who play that rough and tough style, break down a lot sooner than others. Anderson will likely start his downswing by the age of 28-30, meaning at most we have 3-5 good years of him.

In saying that, I believe it fits nicely into our core's window for another cup (or two). I think the greatest part of Anderson is he gives us the thing we've lacked since Lucic left here, which is a big bodies winger for Krejci who gives our team that intimidation factor. Lucic scored anywhere from 20-30 goals when he was in his prime with us. He was a 50-60 point player who fought, hit, and provided leadership. That's what I would see from Anderson, not a guy who just scored 27 and is going to score 30-35-40 in the next few years.

I was the one who originally posted this trade, which was Lauzon + Frederic +Backes.
Jackets went for it last year, lost their #1 winger, #1 Center, #1 Goalie, Dzingle, and some 1st's.
I would venture a guess that the Jackets don't make the playoffs this season. Maybe for a few more seasons.
Is Anderson going to continue putting up 27 goal seasons on a team that I feel will be in tough to score goals? Is he a player that's going to want to remain in CLB if they're rebuilding?
His value is at it's peak right now, the Jackets need some NHL ready talent to begin the rebuild around.
To shed Backes, lets say he DOESN'T go on LTIR, would this entice them to make the deal:
Frederic+Lauzon+Backes+1st 2020 for Josh Anderson?

If a team offered that for DeBrusk would you take it? Me, not in a million years. Columbus lost a lot of talent this summer they won’t move a core piece like Anderson. If they do you better be ready to pay.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Outside of Boston not many hockey’s people would consider this a overpayment Look at our team. We have a great two year window to win as a real strong team. Anderson is young so we are not trading for a 30 year old. Also the only way Columbus makes the deal is if we give up good young players

I do not see Anderson as this player that tips the scales massively. I was extremely disappointed with his play in R2 as well. I am high on both Studnicka and Vaakanainen so I wouldn't be moving them both with a plus for Anderson.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Hockey news had them as a top 10 talent pool and McKeen's stated they had a very good group of prospects missing a breakout star type player (McAvoy proved this wrong.)

If you think the line up you made from the prospect pool could beat any NHL team we will just disagree. 7 AHL players in your line up aren't beating any NHL teams.

The point to all of this being too many people on here like the shiny new toy that will never amount to anything but "might" be great. I'll take the safe, young player who is established over anyone in a pretty weak prospect pool.

At this point I don't believe even the most ardent supporters of the Bruins prospect pool thinks it is anywhere above the 20th, at absolute best, currently in the NHL. If you do you are delusional

This is funny because most young players are unestablished when they enter the league.

 

[BruinsBtn]

Hockey news had them as a top 10 talent pool and McKeen's stated they had a very good group of prospects missing a breakout star type player (McAvoy proved this wrong.)

If you think the line up you made from the prospect pool could beat any NHL team we will just disagree. 7 AHL players in your line up aren't beating any NHL teams.

The point to all of this being too many people on here like the shiny new toy that will never amount to anything but "might" be great. I'll take the safe, young player who is established over anyone in a pretty weak prospect pool.

At this point I don't believe even the most ardent supporters of the Bruins prospect pool thinks it is anywhere above the 20th, at absolute best, currently in the NHL. If you do you are delusional

Delusional are the people who have been betting against the Bruins prospect pool for 15 years and keep getting it wrong. This franchise is the best at drafting and developing that there is. Delusional is thinking that has suddenly stopped. I'll keep betting on the management that's gotten it right since Bergeron.

 

[Tbaybruin]

I do not see Anderson as this player that tips the scales massively. I was extremely disappointed with his play in R2 as well. I am high on both Studnicka and Vaakanainen so I wouldn't be moving them both with a plus for Anderson.

I do not see Anderson as this player that tips the scales massively. I was extremely disappointed with his play in R2 as well. I am high on both Studnicka and Vaakanainen so I wouldn't be moving them both with a plus for Anderson.

fair enough. I think he would be awesome in Boston. He has a 1.85 m cap hit. Unfortunately his deal ends in 2020. Any deal should come with an extension.

 

[Gordon Lightfoot]

Fair enough. I think he dies

fair enough. I think he would be awesome in Boston. He has a 1.85 m cap hit. Unfortunately his deal ends in 2020. Any deal should come with an extension.

But I agree. Yes, I think he's exactly what we need, as opposed to waiting two years when the current core is either ineffective and/or retired. JFC, please go for it.

Maybe CBJ doesn't do it but something needs to be done. The Bruins aren't winning a Cup with Kuhlman or Coyle top 6 IMO.

 

[Fenian24]

Delusional are the people who have been betting against the Bruins prospect pool for 15 years and keep getting it wrong. This franchise is the best at drafting and developing that there is. Delusional is thinking that has suddenly stopped. I'll keep betting on the management that's gotten it right since Bergeron.

Debrusk-Kuraly-Heinen
Vatrano-Czarnik-Donato
Bjork-Frederic-Senyshyn
Celharik-Cave-Steen
extra: JFK

Gryz-McAvoy
Lauzon-Carlo
Zboril-Lindgren

Subban
Vladar

That line up is what you are so impressed with? 1 second line wing, 1 third line wing, couple of 4th line players and a bunch of AHLers are what you consider a line up that can beat NHL teams. Name one. 2 very good NHL defenseman 1 good and three AHLers again and wretched goaltending, oh and an "extra" player who couldn't crack the line up in JFK and is back in Sweden. Yup I'm betting the Senators or Kings would be quaking in their boots having to play that group.

If you think Zach Senyshyn, Colby Cave, JFK, Czarnik, Lauzon, Zboril and Subban are great picks I have some news for you that you won't like. How many of them were first or second round picks that were wasted? Four? That isn't drafting and developing that is wasting and under utilizing your picks.

How many teams do you think would trade a first round pick today for Zboril or Senyshyn? A second for Lauzon or JFK? How about a third for Senyshyn, he has no value to speak of. Subban? He was so great they lost him on waivers.

I'll stick with delusional

 

[Fenian24]

But I agree. Yes, I think he's exactly what we need, as opposed to waiting two years when the current core is either ineffective and/or retired. JFC, please go for it.

Maybe CBJ doesn't do it but something needs to be done. The Bruins aren't winning a Cup with Kuhlman or Coyle top 6 IMO.

Don't forget the people who think Bjork and Senyshyn should have a shot at the open RW try outs for being Krejci's winger.

Get your two young D signed and bring in a second line winger regardless of prospect cost. LTIR Backes or move him and you have space for an above average second line RW and enough prospects bundled together to get him. If Miller is also done you are looking at 8.5 million in LTIR cap space.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Debrusk-Kuraly-Heinen
Vatrano-Czarnik-Donato
Bjork-Frederic-Senyshyn
Celharik-Cave-Steen
extra: JFK

Gryz-McAvoy
Lauzon-Carlo
Zboril-Lindgren

Subban
Vladar

That line up is what you are so impressed with? 1 second line wing, 1 third line wing, couple of 4th line players and a bunch of AHLers are what you consider a line up that can beat NHL teams. Name one. 2 very good NHL defenseman 1 good and three AHLers again and wretched goaltending, oh and an "extra" player who couldn't crack the line up in JFK and is back in Sweden. Yup I'm betting the Senators or Kings would be quaking in their boots having to play that group.

If you think Zach Senyshyn, Colby Cave, JFK, Czarnik, Lauzon, Zboril and Subban are great picks I have some news for you that you won't like. How many of them were first or second round picks that were wasted? Four? That isn't drafting and developing that is wasting and under utilizing your picks.

How many teams do you think would trade a first round pick today for Zboril or Senyshyn? A second for Lauzon or JFK? How about a third for Senyshyn, he has no value to speak of. Subban? He was so great they lost him on waivers.

I'll stick with delusional

Why are you leaving out Pastrnak, Kessel, Seguin and Hamilton?

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Why are you leaving out Pastrnak, Kessel, Seguin and Hamilton?

And Bergeron, Krejci, Marchand, Lucic

 

[LouJersey]

Delusional are the people who have been betting against the Bruins prospect pool for 15 years and keep getting it wrong. This franchise is the best at drafting and developing that there is. Delusional is thinking that has suddenly stopped. I'll keep betting on the management that's gotten it right since Bergeron.

They had 7 players on their cup appearing team this year from the past 15 drafts combined.

 

[Fenian24]

Why are you leaving out Pastrnak, Kessel, Seguin and Hamilton?

I based this off the lines provided. Kessel, Seguin and Hamilton could never have been here at the same time.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I based this off the lines provided. Kessel, Seguin and Hamilton could never have been here at the same time.

It must be exhausting spending this much time hating on a team you follow.

 

[Fenian24]

It must be exhausting spending this much time hating on a team you follow.

No I want the team I follow to succeed and because I have been following it for 45 plus years I have seen too many Rob Cimetta's, Shayne Stevenson's, Wes Walz's, Cameron Mann's, Cameron Stewart's, Jonathan Aitken's, Zach Hamill's,Lars Jonssons, Mikael Samuelsons etc to over value prospects.

Core of a cup team is here, it is aging and has maybe one or two runs left, move prospects then rebuild.

They also don't do a great job of drafting, they are good but by no means great at it.

 

[NDiesel]

I based this off the lines provided. Kessel, Seguin and Hamilton could never have been here at the same time.

They were all drafted and developed by the Bruins, as well as Bergeron, Krejci, Lucic, Marchand - confused as to why those don't count as good draft picks? While you're at it Krug and Miller were both undrafted signings and were developed by the Bruins.

If you include Kuraly why not Wheeler who signed and developed here originally.

Back onto the main debate, I actually would easily take Anderson for Vaak + Stud. I think both those guys develop into solid players, but we have a lot of depth on LD and Stud is probably a few years away from being a Center in this league. Anderson can snipe, skate and hit - very rare combo. The people who are judging him on this playoff run are going off of a very limited sample size.

 

[Fenian24]

Where? Pronman had them at #12. He said they had a lot depth guys. In hindsight they likely had the best prospect pool in the league at that point and one of the deepest ever:

• McAvoy
• Carlo
• Debrusk
• Heinen
• Donato
• Gryzelck
• Subban
• Kuraly
• Vatrano
  
• Frederic
• Lindgren
• Celharik
• Bjork
• Lauzon
• JFK
• Zboril
• Senyshyn
• Steen
• Cave
• Czarnik
• Vladar

Heck, you could take that list, make a lineup and beat a few NHL teams today.

Debrusk-Kuraly-Heinen
Vatrano-Czarnik-Donato
Bjork-Frederic-Senyshyn
Celharik-Cave-Steen
extra: JFK

Gryz-McAvoy
Lauzon-Carlo
Zboril-Lindgren

Subban
Vladar

It's weak down the middle but pretty strong on the wings and defense. It's insane you can make a full NHL roster.

For reference, Pronman only had 3 of those guys in his top-120 prospects overall. McAvoy (#45 right behind Jake Wahlman?), Senyshyn (102), Lauzon (107)

This is the post I quoted for line combinations.

 

[Estlin]

Delusional are the people who have been betting against the Bruins prospect pool for 15 years and keep getting it wrong. This franchise is the best at drafting and developing that there is. Delusional is thinking that has suddenly stopped. I'll keep betting on the management that's gotten it right since Bergeron.

On what do you base your first assertion? I'd really like to see the data that prove that Boston is the best drafting and development organization there is.

And you seriously think that Boston has always gotten it right, in terms of drafting, since selecting Patrice Bergeron?

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

They were all drafted and developed by the Bruins, as well as Bergeron, Krejci, Lucic, Marchand - confused as to why those don't count as good draft picks? While you're at it Krug and Miller were both undrafted signings and were developed by the Bruins.

If you include Kuraly why not Wheeler who signed and developed here originally.

Back onto the main debate, I actually would easily take Anderson for Vaak + Stud. I think both those guys develop into solid players, but we have a lot of depth on LD and Stud is probably a few years away from being a Center in this league. Anderson can snipe, skate and hit - very rare combo. The people who are judging him on this playoff run are going off of a very limited sample size.

Josh Anderson​

SEASON	TEAM	LEAGUE	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	PLAYOFFS	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2014-15	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL		6	0	1	1	-1	2	|
	Springfield Falcons	AHL		52	7	10	17	1	76	|
2015-16	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL		12	1	3	4	0	2	|
	Cleveland Monsters	AHL		58	18	21	39	14	108	|	PLAYOFFS	15	7	5	12	1	24
2016-17	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL		78	17	12	29	12	89	|	PLAYOFFS	5	1	1	2	2	2
2017-18	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL		63	19	11	30	-1	42	|	PLAYOFFS	6	1	2	3	3	21
	Cleveland Monsters	AHL		1	0	0	0	-2	0	|
2018-19	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL		82	27	20	47	25	60	|	PLAYOFFS	10	1	2	3	-5	22

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Jake DeBrusk​

SEASON	TEAM	LEAGUE	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	PLAYOFFS	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2017-18	Boston Bruins	NHL		70	16	27	43	13	19	|	PLAYOFFS	12	6	2	8	-1	8
2018-19	Boston Bruins	NHL		68	27	15	42	2	18	|	PLAYOFFS	24	4	7	11	4	10

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Please correct me where I am wrong on the small sample size judgement. To use Jake DeBrusk as one example in comparison:
We have more info on Anderson than we do on Jake DeBrusk. 3 full and 2 short seasons for Josh, 2 full for Jake.
Anderson has ~30 pts in his first two full seasons while Jake has over 40. Anderson's best season was last year with 47 pts in 82 games, Jake has been over 40 pts in both his NHL seasons that also included injury games lost.

Post Season:
Anderson has 21 games in the NHL with 3 goals/5 assists/8 pts and zero in total +/-
DeBrusk has 36 games in the NHL with 10 goals/ 9 assists/ 19 pts and a +3 total +/-
Anderson: 0.38 Postseason PPG - Debrusk: 0.52 Postseason PPG

DeBrusk also has him beat in Corsi, Fenwick, and PDO. Though Anderson sees more defensive deployment(50/50) than DeBrusk(67/33). I believe this is due to his being moved up and down the lineup in CBJ while Jake has sewn up the 2LW spot and stayed there.

Please show me what I am missing here. Anderson shows here as a current middle 6 forward with one good year on a stacked team with very disappointing post season stats in the NHL.
With increased ice time and much less talent pool in CBJ Josh will get his chance to prove himself. Given the numbers above I maintain he has yet to do so and trading our two best prospects for a player with these numbers is not a smart move in mid or long term. I'd say better options for 2W will be available during the trade deadline for a cheaper price.

 

[BostonBob]

I do not see Anderson as this player that tips the scales massively.

Fair enough. I think he dies

 

[Fenian24]

Josh Anderson​

SEASON	TEAM	LEAGUE	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	PLAYOFFS	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2014-15	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL		6	0	1	1	-1	2	|
	Springfield Falcons	AHL		52	7	10	17	1	76	|
2015-16	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL		12	1	3	4	0	2	|
	Cleveland Monsters	AHL		58	18	21	39	14	108	|	PLAYOFFS	15	7	5	12	1	24
2016-17	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL		78	17	12	29	12	89	|	PLAYOFFS	5	1	1	2	2	2
2017-18	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL		63	19	11	30	-1	42	|	PLAYOFFS	6	1	2	3	3	21
	Cleveland Monsters	AHL		1	0	0	0	-2	0	|
2018-19	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL		82	27	20	47	25	60	|	PLAYOFFS	10	1	2	3	-5	22

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Jake DeBrusk​

SEASON	TEAM	LEAGUE	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	PLAYOFFS	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2017-18	Boston Bruins	NHL		70	16	27	43	13	19	|	PLAYOFFS	12	6	2	8	-1	8
2018-19	Boston Bruins	NHL		68	27	15	42	2	18	|	PLAYOFFS	24	4	7	11	4	10

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Please correct me where I am wrong on the small sample size judgement. To use Jake DeBrusk as one example in comparison:
We have more info on Anderson than we do on Jake DeBrusk. 3 full and 2 short seasons for Josh, 2 full for Jake.
Anderson has ~30 pts in his first two full seasons while Jake has over 40. Anderson's best season was last year with 47 pts in 82 games, Jake has been over 40 pts in both his NHL seasons that also included injury games lost.

Post Season:
Anderson has 21 games in the NHL with 3 goals/5 assists/8 pts and zero in total +/-
DeBrusk has 36 games in the NHL with 10 goals/ 9 assists/ 19 pts and a +3 total +/-
Anderson: 0.38 Postseason PPG - Debrusk: 0.52 Postseason PPG

DeBrusk also has him beat in Corsi, Fenwick, and PDO. Though Anderson sees more defensive deployment(50/50) than DeBrusk(67/33). I believe this is due to his being moved up and down the lineup in CBJ while Jake has sewn up the 2LW spot and stayed there.

Please show me what I am missing here. Anderson shows here as a current middle 6 forward with one good year on a stacked team with very disappointing post season stats in the NHL.
With increased ice time and much less talent pool in CBJ Josh will get his chance to prove himself. Given the numbers above I maintain he has yet to do so and trading our two best prospects for a player with these numbers is not a smart move in mid or long term. I'd say better options for 2W will be available during the trade deadline for a cheaper price.

Who is suggesting trading DeBrusk for Anderson. I and others are suggesting prospects to add Anderson to DeBrusk's line. Is your argument that they are not equally valuable and that Columbus should take JFK and Lauzon for Anderson and not Vaak and Studnicka?

Your argument would then prove the failing of advanced stats because Anderson is far more valuable than advanced metric indicate and of at least similar value as DeBrusk.

You fail to note that Anderson has improved every year in the league, is still only 25 and will most likely continue to improve as he has every season he has played. He is 6'3 220lbs and one of the few effective power forwards left in the game because of his skating ability.

If you are trying to say either player can carry a line like Bergeron it is clear neither can, they are complimentary goal scorers who need good set up men. Why discount Anderson's success with 27 goals but praise DeBrusk while both play similar games of driving the net, using a quick release off the wing to score and battling in front to get their goals? These two players being centered by Krejci with the 63-37-88 line make the Bruins at least a co favorite for the 2020 cup assuming McAvoy and Carlo get signed. Danton Heinen, Senyshyn, Kuhlman, Bjork or the rest of the Providence gang of future superstars does not do that, it makes them a one line team again.

I don't get the burning hate you seem to have for Anderson, a player who seems to check off every key box you look for on your second line playing with Krejci, ot it could simply be an overvaluation of Boston prospect pool by someone again.

 

[Mainehockey33]

No I want the team I follow to succeed and because I have been following it for 45 plus years I have seen too many Rob Cimetta's, Shayne Stevenson's, Wes Walz's, Cameron Mann's, Cameron Stewart's, Jonathan Aitken's, Zach Hamill's,Lars Jonssons, Mikael Samuelsons etc to over value prospects.

Core of a cup team is here, it is aging and has maybe one or two runs left, move prospects then rebuild.

They also don't do a great job of drafting, they are good but by no means great at it.

Weren’t you upset at the run last year because of the style of play, going on about how St. Louis is superior? I don’t get it, but whatever.

 

[Fenian24]

Weren’t you upset at the run last year because of the style of play, going on about how St. Louis is superior? I don’t get it, but whatever.

Yes and that is why I want to add Anderson to the team, even Sweeney must understand this a little bit as he added size in Gaunce and some toughness and size in Ritchie. I still think they are too small on defense and need Kevin Miller or a similar player to help Chara against big, aggressive fore checking teams like St. Louis and I would love a Miles Wood, Blake Coleman, Matt Martin, Adam Lowry, Maroon, etc for the third line.

 

[yazmybaby]

McAvoy for Laine???
Our offense could rival the Leafs with that move.
Could be easier to make that move if Vaak was 100% ready to assume a larger role on dee?
Could Clifton make up some of the missed minutes by Big Mac?

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

McAvoy for Laine???
Our offense could rival the Leafs with that move.
Could be easier to make that move if Vaak was 100% ready to assume a larger role on dee?
Could Clifton make up some of the missed minutes by Big Mac?

Rumors abound about Laine wanting 10 mill. Would SweeNeelypay that let alone free up a contract or two for the room for both Laine AND Carlo?