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Blowfish

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Funny how everyone has a different view how they want to see bruins built. Speed speed and toughness speed and grit and toughness.

Me personally speed and more speed. With a little grit. Just find it more entertaining. Leafs bruins series was fun to watch. Same
For Vegas caps. With that said. I like the direcTion bruins are going. Still need a top 6 winger. Hopefully they find that internally.
 
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Speed, skill, passing, defense AND toughness are essential ingredients to a successful team in this age.

By the later I see toughness as hard and clean hitting, scrapping along the boards competing in the corners for pucks. Anything else attributed to "toughness" in hockey doesn't impress this fan.
 

Alberta_OReilly_Fan

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I wish I could believe a trade will happen... so im going to toss out my geekon fanboy wetdream

trade 1
danton Heinen
Jeremy lauzon
kevan miller
for
jake Virtanen
bandon sutter {1.375 million retained}

deal addresses the need for a 3rd line center and one who shoots right {could move to wing when the kids take over} with the retained salary he will cost only 3 mill for next 3 seasons.

we also get a right shot young power winger who at worst is going to become a very good 4th liner for us. I think the kid could get a tryout on krecji's line

trade 2
torey krug
tuuka rask
Zach senshyn
for
will butcher
corey Schneider
miles wood

this deal sheds a ton of cap hit. Schneider is a million cheaper than rask {but signed one extra year}
butcher is a pure pp specialist but obviously much cheaper than krug. miles wood for me is the key to this deal. I remember lou going on and on from jersey how good this kid was going to be. so I paid attention and bang on. this kid plays like we want our guys to play.

after my proposed trades I think we are better positioned to win a few cups...

pastrnak/Bergeron/marchand {most of us think this is the best line in hockey}
Virtanen/krecji/debrusk {give the kids first chance to play here Bjork/donato waiting in wings}
backes/sutter/wood {imho this would be the best 3rd line in hockey}
wagner/kuraly/Nordstrom
donato/accari

McAvoy/moore {I think moore is viewed as mcavoys mobile partner}
carlo/chara {chara makes anyone better but carlo needs it more than McAvoy}
McQuaid/butcher {McQuaid brings out best in undersized partners}
grezlyck {great 7th dman option}

Schneider {had a down year but his career numbers are outstanding. hes good enough to win with}
halak {honestly I think a lot of people here are going to become huge fans of halak}


id estimate the cap hit for the 5 incoming guys to be well below 14 million
the four guys going out are over 15 and the other roster spot takes it to 16

so we recognize an immediate cap saving BUT we also get significant future cap savings. Heinen will be in line for a signigicent raise next year. if butcher gets too much in his next deal, hes not really crucial to our success. hes a 3rd pair pp specialist.

im NOT going to try to sell this from jersey/or Vancouver. this is 100% FANBOY GEEK INDULGENCE. its a set of moves I believe is possible and I believe would help us have a better chance at cup success.

I had fun thinking it up, typing it out, and sharing it. if you had fun reading it then great. if you think I suck then I suppose maybe I do. sorry for ruining your day
 
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Alberta_OReilly_Fan

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Speed, skill, passing, defense AND toughness are essential ingredients to a successful team in this age.

By the later I see toughness as hard and clean hitting, scrapping along the boards competing in the corners for pucks. Anything else attributed to "toughness" in hockey doesn't impress this fan.

toughness is a relative term. I was by far the biggest/toughest kid in grade 3 and I would have no problem bulling the other 8-9 year olds anyway I wanted. but our school went to grade 6 and there were kids on the playground bigger/stronger than I was

as the nhl weeds out the George laraques and john scotts of the world with the new legislation rules against goonery... the david backes and kevan miller types become a much more viable source of 'toughness'

zdeno chara is no longer going to be a 'tough guy' but if he was 23 and just entering his prime now... he would be amazingly impactful. as the other super heavyweights get phased out... the small handful that are able to play become that much more valuable

size alone... is not enough to make it. and really it never was. but skillful size is more valuable today than its ever been because its become a more rare commonity
 

GloryDaze4877

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I wish I could believe a trade will happen... so im going to toss out my geekon fanboy wetdream

trade 1
danton Heinen
Jeremy lauzon
kevan miller
for
jake Virtanen
bandon sutter {1.375 million retained}


deal addresses the need for a 3rd line center and one who shoots right {could move to wing when the kids take over} with the retained salary he will cost only 3 mill for next 3 seasons.

we also get a right shot young power winger who at worst is going to become a very good 4th liner for us. I think the kid could get a tryout on krecji's line

trade 2
torey krug
tuuka rask
Zach senshyn
for
will butcher
corey Schneider
miles wood

this deal sheds a ton of cap hit. Schneider is a million cheaper than rask {but signed one extra year}
butcher is a pure pp specialist but obviously much cheaper than krug. miles wood for me is the key to this deal. I remember lou going on and on from jersey how good this kid was going to be. so I paid attention and bang on. this kid plays like we want our guys to play.

after my proposed trades I think we are better positioned to win a few cups...

pastrnak/Bergeron/marchand {most of us think this is the best line in hockey}
Virtanen/krecji/debrusk {give the kids first chance to play here Bjork/donato waiting in wings}
backes/sutter/wood {imho this would be the best 3rd line in hockey}
wagner/kuraly/Nordstrom
donato/accari

McAvoy/moore {I think moore is viewed as mcavoys mobile partner}
carlo/chara {chara makes anyone better but carlo needs it more than McAvoy}
McQuaid/butcher {McQuaid brings out best in undersized partners}
grezlyck {great 7th dman option}

Schneider {had a down year but his career numbers are outstanding. hes good enough to win with}
halak {honestly I think a lot of people here are going to become huge fans of halak}


id estimate the cap hit for the 5 incoming guys to be well below 14 million
the four guys going out are over 15 and the other roster spot takes it to 16

so we recognize an immediate cap saving BUT we also get significant future cap savings. Heinen will be in line for a signigicent raise next year. if butcher gets too much in his next deal, hes not really crucial to our success. hes a 3rd pair pp specialist.

im NOT going to try to sell this from jersey/or Vancouver. this is 100% FANBOY GEEK INDULGENCE. its a set of moves I believe is possible and I believe would help us have a better chance at cup success.

I had fun thinking it up, typing it out, and sharing it. if you had fun reading it then great. if you think I suck then I suppose maybe I do. sorry for ruining your day

Your "fanboy wetdream" is acquiring Virtanen and Sutter?

You must have pretty low standards?

Pass.

That's like saying your fanboy wetdream is going out with Kate Mulgrew instead of Kate Upton...
 

Alberta_OReilly_Fan

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Your "fanboy wetdream" is acquiring Virtanen and Sutter?

You must have pretty low standards?

Pass.

That's like saying your fanboy wetdream is going out with Kate Mulgrew instead of Kate Upton...

maybe I should qualify my dream as being "attainable" {although I do think I have a pretty damn good shot at kate upton so perhaps you are onto something}
 

BruinsFanSince94

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I wish I could believe a trade will happen... so im going to toss out my geekon fanboy wetdream

trade 1
danton Heinen
Jeremy lauzon
kevan miller
for
jake Virtanen
bandon sutter {1.375 million retained}

deal addresses the need for a 3rd line center and one who shoots right {could move to wing when the kids take over} with the retained salary he will cost only 3 mill for next 3 seasons.

we also get a right shot young power winger who at worst is going to become a very good 4th liner for us. I think the kid could get a tryout on krecji's line

trade 2
torey krug
tuuka rask
Zach senshyn
for
will butcher
corey Schneider
miles wood

this deal sheds a ton of cap hit. Schneider is a million cheaper than rask {but signed one extra year}
butcher is a pure pp specialist but obviously much cheaper than krug. miles wood for me is the key to this deal. I remember lou going on and on from jersey how good this kid was going to be. so I paid attention and bang on. this kid plays like we want our guys to play.

after my proposed trades I think we are better positioned to win a few cups...

pastrnak/Bergeron/marchand {most of us think this is the best line in hockey}
Virtanen/krecji/debrusk {give the kids first chance to play here Bjork/donato waiting in wings}
backes/sutter/wood {imho this would be the best 3rd line in hockey}
wagner/kuraly/Nordstrom
donato/accari

McAvoy/moore {I think moore is viewed as mcavoys mobile partner}
carlo/chara {chara makes anyone better but carlo needs it more than McAvoy}
McQuaid/butcher {McQuaid brings out best in undersized partners}
grezlyck {great 7th dman option}

Schneider {had a down year but his career numbers are outstanding. hes good enough to win with}
halak {honestly I think a lot of people here are going to become huge fans of halak}

id estimate the cap hit for the 5 incoming guys to be well below 14 million
the four guys going out are over 15 and the other roster spot takes it to 16

so we recognize an immediate cap saving BUT we also get significant future cap savings. Heinen will be in line for a signigicent raise next year. if butcher gets too much in his next deal, hes not really crucial to our success. hes a 3rd pair pp specialist.

im NOT going to try to sell this from jersey/or Vancouver. this is 100% FANBOY GEEK INDULGENCE. its a set of moves I believe is possible and I believe would help us have a better chance at cup success.

I had fun thinking it up, typing it out, and sharing it. if you had fun reading it then great. if you think I suck then I suppose maybe I do. sorry for ruining your day

To start off, New Jersey rejects that deal, and seeing 2 of the players on the Bruins would have to waive their full NMC, it's just not realistic at all. It's too big of a trade, and would never happen. I'm sure these two deals go together, but the fact the 2nd deal doesn't happen, the first deal would be horrendous for Boston.

It's just a scary thought that fans think trades like this are beneficial to Boston. They give up the two best players in the deal + a prospect with Top 4 defensive upside and get back a 4th liner bust candidate and a center that doesn't move the needle at all. It's great you addressed a need here, but why bend the Bruins over in the process?

Pass on this one. You're notorious for trade proposals where the Bruins come out on the losing end. Here is another example.
 

Alberta_OReilly_Fan

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To start off, New Jersey rejects that deal, and seeing 2 of the players on the Bruins would have to waive their full NMC, it's just not realistic at all. It's too big of a trade, and would never happen. I'm sure these two deals go together, but the fact the 2nd deal doesn't happen, the first deal would be horrendous for Boston.

It's just a scary thought that fans think trades like this are beneficial to Boston. They give up the two best players in the deal + a prospect with Top 4 defensive upside and get back a 4th liner bust candidate and a center that doesn't move the needle at all. It's great you addressed a need here, but why bend the Bruins over in the process?

Pass on this one. You're notorious for trade proposals where the Bruins come out on the losing end. Here is another example.

appreciate your opinion... id still like to see it happen, but I can appreciate im not making a Sydney Crosby for jimmy hayes proposal so it probably wont be popular with most hard core bruin fans

but other than neely for Pederson... Wesley for 3 first... kessel for a couple firsts... backup goalie for the pick that became bourque… going way back to esposito… and a couple other examples we might agree on...

how many slam dunk HUGE WIN trades were ever made by our team?

I think theres something to be said pulling off one of these 'sleeper' type movies

I mean when derek morris was sent out and dennis Seidenberg came in the back door a couple days later... did most of us know how well that would work out?

same time... kobasew sent out... paille brought in...

I got to admit I was a fan of morris/kobasew and I didn't think much of Seidenberg/paille. I was DEEPLY UNDERWHELMED by these moves. But I got a bit more educated when they clearly worked out. our team became much better with these quality pieces occupying depth spots on the club and fitting the new identity we were trying to put together

im a fan of understated trades that move ill-fitting pieces that might not work... for pieces that might work. am I guaranteed of being right? no... so theres the fun of debate. I have no problem with you not liking the particulars of my proposal

my response is 100% saying that I think its ok to value smaller trades if the trade itself is a good trade. I don't see the cap room to afford a big trade so I wont be throwing one of them out. I do think our bottom half of the lineup now could use some upgrading
 
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Dr Quincy

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1st one is bad for Boston.
2nd one NJ says no.

The 2nd one isn't "bad" but I just think NJ would rather keep their guys and have the more flexible salary situation.

But I think Virtanen is a complete bust and Sutter is toast. Actually, he's like the burnt crumbs of toast that gather at the bottom of the toaster and cause the smoke alarm to go off after sitting there collecting for awhile.
 

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1st one is bad for Boston.
2nd one NJ says no.

The 2nd one isn't "bad" but I just think NJ would rather keep their guys and have the more flexible salary situation.

But I think Virtanen is a complete bust and Sutter is toast. Actually, he's like the burnt crumbs of toast that gather at the bottom of the toaster and cause the smoke alarm to go off after sitting there collecting for awhile.
Funny you mention that. I just finished moving. Forgot where the toaster was.

Carried a bag through the house and along the way left a trail of burnt crumbs 30 feet long. Initially was angry at the old home owner. Thought what kind of a human doesn’t clean up after themselves!?!

Realized I was an idiot soon after.

Oh and both those trades are bad. The end.
 

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Virtanen us a solid NHL regular, bottom six forward with size and speed who will never live up to where he was picked. I hope all the Senyshyn defenders remember this if Senyshyn turns into a bottom six forward. I'm sure there wont be any revisionist history on how tough it is to make the NHL and how many first round picks fail and how he is a solid contributor with similar numbers and game.
 

DKH

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Funny how everyone has a different view how they want to see bruins built. Speed speed and toughness speed and grit and toughness.

Me personally speed and more speed. With a little grit. Just find it more entertaining. Leafs bruins series was fun to watch. Same
For Vegas caps. With that said. I like the direcTion bruins are going. Still need a top 6 winger. Hopefully they find that internally.
I want balance with a team based around its centers for who they are

The Dynasty Islanders were the most balanced team I have seen in my lifetime

They were the proverbial girl who looks great in jeans or a dress

The Capitals had what I consider the FOUR components of success as relates to building a Championship hockey team

1. Two high end elite centers that can work with and off each other and present matchup issues

Kuznetsov & Backstrom

2. Elite goal scoring winger

Ovechkin

3. Two-way offensive Defenseman who can QB the PP

Carlson

4. Top goalie

Holtby

Where are the Bruins?

They got two of #2

McAvoy is evolving #3

Rask meets my #4

I purposely left out Barzal .....I kid I kid
 
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Saxon Eric

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Virtanen us a solid NHL regular, bottom six forward with size and speed who will never live up to where he was picked. I hope all the Senyshyn defenders remember this if Senyshyn turns into a bottom six forward. I'm sure there wont be any revisionist history on how tough it is to make the NHL and how many first round picks fail and how he is a solid contributor with similar numbers and game.
Let him have a few more 75 game seasons before he's anointed a solid NHL regular
 

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I want balance with a team based around its centers for who they are

The Dynasty Islanders were the most balanced team I have seen in my lifetime

They were the proverbial girl who looks great in jeans or a dress

The Capitals had what I consider the FOUR components of success as relates to building a Championship hockey team

1. Two high end elite centers that can work with and off each other and present matchup issues

Kuznetsov & Backstrom

2. Elite goal scoring winger

Ovechkin

3. Two-way offensive Defenseman who can QB the PP

Carlson

4. Top goalie

Holtby

Where are the Bruins?

They got two of #2

McAvoy is evolving #3

Rask meets my #4

I purposely left out Barzal .....I kid I kid

I get that WSH just won so they become the "blue print" but how many years did WSH choke with nearly this same group?
 
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BruinDust

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Virtanen is this years Brandon Gormley

Virtanen is already far ahead of Gormley.

Gormley was never an everyday NHL player. with seasons totals of 5, 27 and 26 games over the course of 3 seasons.

Gormley never signed a one-way NHL deal. Was always on a 2-way.

Awful comparison.
 
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DKH

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I get that WSH just won so they become the "blue print" but how many years did WSH choke with nearly this same group?
It’s not really about Washington they just checked the boxes

I’m going by this in the HFL SIM to build my own team

Success can be measured many ways and often is in the eyes of the beholder

The were successful they just didn’t win until this year

Anyways this blueprint is likely only mine anyways

I know a lot of Bruins posters here is to have 4 great lines 3 excellent set of D, outstanding goalie pair and no questions by July 1st

It’s actually a better blueprint than mine
 

Saxon Eric

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Virtanen is already far ahead of Gormley.

Gormley was never an everyday NHL player. with seasons totals of 5, 27 and 26 games over the course of 3 seasons.

Gormley never signed a one-way NHL deal. Was always on a 2-way.

Awful comparison.
Both are/were massively overrated do to draft status and inflated CHL play.
Just because Vancouver is dumb enough to give him a one way doesn't make him any better than Gormley.
Virtanen will be playing in Germany this time next year.
Comparison stands!
 

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Both are/were massively overrated do to draft status and inflated CHL play.
Just because Vancouver is dumb enough to give him a one way doesn't make him any better than Gormley.
Virtanen will be playing in Germany this time next year.
Comparison stands!

Comparison really doesn't stand. While Virtanen certainly has been a disappointment, he is an NHL player. Gormley isn't, seeing he's over in Sweden after his failed NHL career.
 
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BruinDust

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Both are/were massively overrated do to draft status and inflated CHL play.
Just because Vancouver is dumb enough to give him a one way doesn't make him any better than Gormley.
Virtanen will be playing in Germany this time next year.
Comparison stands!

Well considering he just signed a one-way TWO-YEAR deal, I'm going to safely say your going to be wrong on this prediction.
 

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Virtanen us a solid NHL regular, bottom six forward with size and speed who will never live up to where he was picked. I hope all the Senyshyn defenders remember this if Senyshyn turns into a bottom six forward. I'm sure there wont be any revisionist history on how tough it is to make the NHL and how many first round picks fail and how he is a solid contributor with similar numbers and game.

Well, Senyshyn has done more in his AHL time, than Virtanen has done, in his. Can't comment on usage for Virtanen since I don't follow Utica, but we know how Senyshyn has been used. Also, while Senyshyn has a long way to go, and may not live up to where he was drafted, it's certainly not worse than Virtanen at #6.

I'd take Virtanen on the Bruins. I'm just not trading any of our young good players/prospects for him.... The deal proposed essentially is doing just that. Honestly, Vancouver wouldn't take what I would offer, and I'd hope Sweeney wouldn't offer much more.
 
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BruinDust

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Well, Senyshyn has done more in his AHL time, than Virtanen has done, in his. Can't comment on usage for Virtanen since I don't follow Utica, but we know how Senyshyn has been used. Also, while Senyshyn has a long way to go, and may not live up to where he was drafted, it's certainly not worse than Virtanen at #6.

I'd take Virtanen on the Bruins. I'm just not trading any of our young good players/prospects for him.... The deal proposed essentially is doing just that. Honestly, Vancouver wouldn't take what I would offer, and I'd hope Sweeney wouldn't offer much more.

On a straight one-for-one swap, Sweeney would be crazy to not take Virtanen for Senyshyn.

Difference in ages is minimal, Virtanen is just 226 days older than Senyshyn.

I don't care about where either were drafted (inconsequential at this point),

I don't care about Virtanen's time in Utica, or how Senyshyn was used last year. Personally I think this whole "well Senyshyn was used on the 3rd line so he could learn the two-way game" is a load of garbage. If he was playing at the AHL level like a top AHL forward, he'd be given more minutes and more opportunities. These AHL coaches want to win too.

Fact is, you have two players who are practically the same age. One guy's production last season in the AHL (Senyshyn, 12-14-26 in 66 AHL games) is only marginally better than the other guys production in the NHL (Virtanen 10-10-20 in 75 NHL games).

If the ages are the same, and their positions are the same (RW), I'll take the guy who produce the comparable numbers in the much better league every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
 
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