Alexis Lafreniere disappointing season start? PART 2

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  1. Devil made me do it Registered User

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    I've metioned this before but the Rangers are a weirdly constructed team. They overpayed a couple of wingers who have already peaked in Panarin and Kreider and threw a bunch of money on an overrated D like Trouba. Zibanejad is approaching washed up level. By the time their young prospects develop into their prime, the aforementioned players will already be on the decline. And the team lacks a quality goalie and no centers. Shesterkin is meh.
     
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    Don't you mean every last 2 of them?
     
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    I'm asking for specifics. You were bodied by people who watch him play every game. If you are going to claim otherwise, you are going to need to make a more convincing argument than that.
     
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    Kakko's playing very well and I think you'd trade your rebuild for ours, but thanks for your concerns.

    You could've just said you aren't making a serious argument and hate the Rangers. If you actually believe these things it reflects very poorly on your hockey knowledge.
     
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    stuetzle > laf
     
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    In other words, you have no argument. This is a contest to you and you are trying to denigrate Lafreniere as some way to pump the tires of your team's player.

    Rangers fans don't view it as a contest. We aren't comparing Lafreniere to other players. We have no reason to.
     
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    On behalf of Senator fans, I apologies for this.
     
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    What a load of bullshit.

    Panarin had his beat season ever with us, how is he passed his prime?

    Zibanejad had a few injuries then COVID-19, he's still suffering from it.

    Such a troll post, grow up kiddo.
     
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    If the question was if Lafreniere was overhyped then the answer is: certainly by some people. There were several posters on this very forum who said he'd be top ten in the league at his position pretty much instantly. I think of all the top prospects he was projected to slip most easily into a NHL line-up this season. That's not quite how it's played out so far. Doesn't mean it won't happen down the road, but he definitely is lagging behind pre-season expectations.
     
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    I disagree. Gorton may have in fact jumped the gun on the rebuild by signing Panarin. Because that put a massive cap on how much leeway the length of this rebuild could last, and now the goal is to try and win in the prime years of the most talented player this team has ever had. Aka the next 3 years but who knows if the rest of the team is going to catch up.

    We will be lucky to get 2-3 good years out of Kreider before he becomes an anchor, JUST as this team is getting ready to hit their window?

    The Rangers are definitely a weirdly constructed team and are kind of stuck in no man's land right now.

    Signing Kreider after trading away Miller and Hayes definitely signifies there was a change in direction post Panarin.

    But you are also right that this was just a cheap shot at the Rangers by a Devils fan because signing Panarin and Kreider, and Shesterkin's level of play this season has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

    There is a good point buried in that mess of an OP.
     
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    I still wouldn’t be worried if I was a Ranger fan. Regardless of what happens he was the unquestionable right pick to make. I unfortunately haven’t watched him much since I’m blacked out from watching their games but just curious. What are some strengths and weaknesses he’s showing rn?
     
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    Although Lafreniere gives me vibes of Daigle, I wouldn’t be worried if I was a Rangers fan.

    Zibenejad is a terrific player yet only has 4pts on the season, that’s more alarming than a rookie not producing, looks to be more than players not producing, it’s deeper than that.
     
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    Lafreniere has played in 16 games.
    Stamkos had 2 goals after his first 16 games.
    Yakupov had 6.
    Daigle had 8.
     
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    Admittedly I haven't watched any Rangers games this season, but a 2.23 GAA and a .922 SV% this season seems a far cry from "meh."

    As for Lafreniere it's too early to call him a bust to be sure, but only 2 goals and no assists in 16 games is very disappointing, especially when he held himself out of the WJC to be better prepared for the NHL season.
     
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    Remember when Jack Hughes sucked?
     
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    "They overpayed a couple of wingers who have already peaked in Panarin.."

    Lmao. What?
     
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    quite a bit off topic by the op lol. If anything the rangers might actually need more veterans. This is something that will probably be addressed next off season when they have some cap room. Obviously, nothing too expensive, but they will probably try to bring in someone that can take control of that locker room better.
     
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    Lafreniere strikes me as a very competitive player. Daigle didn't even like hockey...
     
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    scouting has gotten a lot better since then. Even if a first overall doesn’t become a franchise player they’re still a good chance they’ll be productive good players. Yakupov is the one exception I would say in the last 20 years. He had a good rookie season but it’s clear that it isn’t a talent issue with him.
     
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    Did we really need a part 2?

    Devils fan, too. Like f***ing clockwork.
     
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    Part 2!? Chill people. This horse has been beaten. Revisit later.
     
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    Laf is going to be just fine. I realize it's been said already, but not every first overall pick is going to be a Connor McDavid, an Auston Matthews.
     
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    I have liked his play in each game I have watched of his, he just hasn't come out of them with any points. I would be more concerned if he wasn't involved in the game and making positive plays. It seems many players on the Rangers are having a hard time producing right now. The points will start to come more consistently if he keeps up his positive play.
     
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    I completely agree that there are issues with our organization. I’m not completely convinced by our management, coach, cap situation, and very recently the center ice position going forward has become a huge issue with a 1C gone missing. But I also think we have one of the best futures among teams in the league. Fox and Shestyorkin are big building blocks at premium positions. I don’t love the idea of building around wingers, but it also doesn’t hurt to have an elite winger in Panarin, along with a 1OA and 2OA. We have a very good prospect pool, a bunch of good secondary pieces (Buch, Kreids, Trouba, Miller, Lindgren, Chytil), and an organization that tends to attract players, either on the prospect side (Fox, Hayes, Vesey) or the NHL player side (Panarin, Trouba).
     
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    I wouldn’t say Shestyorkin has been meh, but he’s not been at his best this season. But that speaks to how good of a goalie he already is. This is pretty much his floor, and he’s producing like a top 10 goalie in the league. His potential is absolutely the Vezina. I don’t know how someone could view his game as meh, but that person only does because they dislike the Rangers.
     
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