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Speculation: Alex Pietrangelo Megathread: contract talks with the Blues have stalled.
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ManwithNoIdentity
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If they give him a final offer and he says naw, I’m testing FA, is the offer still there if he decides to stay?
Eternal Leaf
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More than the per year, he likely wants most of it in signing bonuses.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens.
teams always have money for elite players. it's depth players who are gonna take a hit
hamzarocks
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I was thinking Bruins make a play at both Hall and Pietrangelo short term. 1 or maybe 2 years nearly fully Signing bonuses. They got for it completely for the short term and then begin a rebuild if they fail to win in those 2 years. They could get him long term but I think the Bruins would be better off addressing their top 6 then committing long term to Pietrangelo
huh?????????
All of the agents. Players and GMs have said the exact opposite to what you have said.
Mike Johnson. Who played for Tampa and Toronto was literally talking about it today
MarkusKetterer
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Yes and no. If for instance the Blues offer 8 years at 9M per, if he goes to UFA to get the same money at the end of the contract, it has to be 7 years at ~10.2M per (assuming straight money and none of it is a signing bonus)
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I’d venture to guess buying power has almost nothing to do with a players decision UNLESS that players plans on living/retiring in that country. And even then, whether he gets 10M in Toronto, or 10M in Vegas, he’ll still have the same buying power when his hockey career is over.
For example, why on earth would Pietrangelo care what his buying power in Canada is when he’s likely only spending a small portion of his life there?
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No doubt.
but what makes it different this year, I think, is moving out money is going to extremely challenging.
there’s going to be a lot of teams trying to shed salary, and very few teams looking to add.
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Guys won’t want front loaded bonuses. Escrow is 20% and takes that out of the bonus dollars too. If a guy signs for term, they will want to back load their money to reduce the effects of escrow. Plus, lots of guys like living in the States, because they (and mostly their family) can be anonymous. Pietrangelo will either stay in St. Loo, or head to a warm spot.
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There will be a number of teams (Sens and Coyotes for sure) looking to add contracts that have high cap hits, but little left on actual dollars paid out. So I think we see several strange looking trades until the real money saved is considered. Pietrangelo could easily end up in Vegas.
crashthenet
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I don't believe that Pietrangelo is actually going to leave St Louis. I didn't believe Tavares would leave NYI until the Leafs made the official announcement, so I won't believe it until Pietrangelo is announced as signing with his new team.
If he would sign with the Leafs, I'd take him in a heartbeat and trade Marner. Can't let a #1D just walk on past, that's too much value.
If he would sign with the Leafs, I'd take him in a heartbeat and trade Marner. Can't let a #1D just walk on past, that's too much value.
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A heck of a lot lower than a revenue that would generate a 81.5 million cap hit. That's for sure.
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And this is what you think should happen?
the salary cap dropping instantly to 60 mill and even less?
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The only way you trade Marner is by taking salary back. Kind of defeats the purpose. Easier to move smaller pieces.
I think more likely they sign AP long term and move Carlo for some ELC top 6 help. No sense having Carlo on the third pair, ya know?
If Winnipeg trade Laine for top picks or a young entry-level forward with proven goal-scoring potential, they should have the money to go after him hard right? Their desperate defensive need will make sense and Winnipeg is not that far from Toronto and staying in Central will give him a huge advantage as he already knows how to play against the divisional teams. Maybe he is low key and does not like all that media attention being on a team like Toronto. He just recently won a cup too so going to a contender may not be that a big deal for him but the contract $$$ will. Also curious if anyone knows if his wife is from Toronto, St. Louis, or elsewhere?
Winnipeg can figure it out and offer him the top dollar and with him, they will become a top contender instantly again even without Laine. Next, I can see Caps or Pens going hard after him as well.
Still think Toronto will rather trade Nylander than their prize winger Marner as the GM is really high on that player and if they would have been willing to let him go, they would have done so before resigning him for that much money. Now with that price tag and term, it will be much harder to move him as that is the kind of money you dish out for an elite centre not winger (unless he can score 50 goals).
Winnipeg can figure it out and offer him the top dollar and with him, they will become a top contender instantly again even without Laine. Next, I can see Caps or Pens going hard after him as well.
Still think Toronto will rather trade Nylander than their prize winger Marner as the GM is really high on that player and if they would have been willing to let him go, they would have done so before resigning him for that much money. Now with that price tag and term, it will be much harder to move him as that is the kind of money you dish out for an elite centre not winger (unless he can score 50 goals).
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hamzarocks
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Ya that's another good solution for the Bs. Carlo should get a pretty good winger. Guys like reinhart(probably not a target due to contract status and buffalo not needing RHD), vrana, boesor, tuch, cirelli, seem like good targets.
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Shoulda got one game in
But your smaller pieces aren’t gonna get much value.
If Kapanen was like Johnsson was this year, he wouldn’t have returned 15th overall (I mean injured and having question marks). Kerfoot might return a 3C who is younger with very little 2C upside or a 3rd or 4th round pick. Soup I figure might return a late 1st or get a Kapanen return at best, only because he hasn’t had Kap production (no fault of his own).
Dermott is probably the Leafs best current trade chip but any return is gonna result in the Leafs taking a bath on it, unless a team really wants him. Like I can see the Sens “overpaying” for him (say Formenton and one of their 27 seconds they have)
You are nuts if you think teams wouldn’t gladly trade for marner.
His cap hit is definitely inflated but many teams are desperate for talent. He has 5 years left and will make about $7 million per year.
Cash strapped teams will love that.... and they could care less about the cap..... but I get the sense you already know that
Maybe ,he looks into F/A first to see what is out there...But at this point in his career ,it seems unlikely he doesnt give STL first chance to sign him
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