Prospect Info: Alex Nylander (2016, 8th) – '17-18: Rochester #92 (AHL)

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  1. Sabresfansince1980

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    I dispute that Nylander outplayed anybody to a significant extent, to make a difference in roster selection.
     
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    Staying on the topic of Nylander ....
     
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    So he played better in 5 games with half a roster? I get being mad at botts saying "open roster spot up for grabs for who shows up". That's a bad way to approach meaningless games. Enforcers force fights in preseason to try and prove their worth as well. The fact is it's a few meaningless games and being an actual complete nhl player with real potential matters more than 5 games against another team's B-squad. Mitts has more talent in his left hand than nylander has in his whole body and that's why he made the team. Tage's shot in the right circumstances and a competent coach is more valuable than nylander coasting doing nothing and trying to bank in goals off others effort.
     
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    So you want him to earn a spot even though you're saying it's impossible for him to earn the spot?
     
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    Aladyyn counting stats are the devil

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    btw if Mittelstadt had Nylander's talent he wouldn't be on pace for 25 points with his engagement/effort level
     
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    This is spot on. Did he out perform CJ Smith or Oloffson... No. And CJ Smith and Olofsson had better previous years in the AHL and SEL, showing real progress. Whereas Nylander had medicore years with stagnation in the AHL (albeit recognizing that the AHL was probably a bad development choice for him.)

    Tage is an enigma, no one understands he is development track, but I think CJ & Olofsson earned that spot over Nylander or Tage.

    Nylander's production in the AHL is justification that he is not ready for the NHL. He proved that to all of you, and yet those banging the drum are only doing so because of his draft pedigree. Before people say he is not playing with enough talent in roch, then why are others producing at or near PPG and nylander is .57?
     
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    It's the patience level that some have. They love that Buffalo has 3 1st round picks, but how long are they going to be willing to hold out for those picks to develop? Or, because those are later, does that afford 2-3 more years?

    Nylander was going to be a high risk high reward pick. When we drafted him, I expected a longer curve of development because of his short junior career (should've been kept there longer IMO), but I expect him to finish as being a very solid player. I didn't give a crap where he was drafted. Once you're drafted as a Sabres player, you are now a prospect to me, and the readiness and the potential you have is based on what you have done, and not weighed by the selection#. To me, I look at Nylander and I see a hockey player with great potential that needs to be developed correctly. That's all that matters to me.

    Of course he has that #8 selection and the fans' opinions of selecting a defenseman already painting him in a bad way. "we should've had McAvoy, We should've had Sergachev, We should've had...", that is what I constantly see, and the one person that is saddled with that is one guy who had no control over that selection.
     
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    Please refer to my Rodrigues post above.
     
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    van Rodrigues, age 22
    72 GP, 9G, 21A in the AHL = .416 PPG

    Evan Rodrigues, age 23
    48 GP, 9G, 21A in the AHL .625PPG

    Evan Rodrigues, age 24
    48 GP, 7G, 18A in the NHL = .52 PPG

    Right? So he progressed, was rewarded with a spot on the club, and is still producing less the in the NHL than AHL????
     
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    Yeah the guy who at 22 produced at the same level as Nylander at 18 turned out to be a pretty nice middle 6 guy at the NHL level. But Nylander is somehow a bust at 20. Illogical.
     
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    Woah, Woah - never called him a bust... I compared him to Grig in that people were gifting him a spot on the club because of draft pedigree and nothing to do with production or development. And, Also in comparison in mismanagement of development.

    I argue he should not be in the NHL, he has not earned it, he needs to develop into a producing player. I argue for other players on the big club; Oloffson and Smith.
     
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    Its very simple, the organization has promoted players before with less talent and meddling AHL statistics before - for multiple extended looks. Yet, with Nylander he has to "earn" a chance to play with the big club (which he already has by the way) - even though the team obviously needs and injection of youth and more importantly skill into the lineup.

    He was drafted to ride shotgun to Eichel. Let him do that.

    And no, please dont blurt out more AHL stats or his lack of effort. I want to see if he can play with the players he was drafted with, PERIOD.

    It's just comical that so many Nylander critics on here complain about lack of skilled forwards in the lineup - yet make every effort to criticize our most talented forward not only the Sabres.
     
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    I think Mittelstadt is the better Grigorenko comparison.

    And yeah, Smith should have been a fixture on the main roster for months. At this point Olofsson should be ready for a call-up too. If it was up to me Smith and Nylander would have made the team out of camp with Olofsson being the first call-up whenever deemed ready.
     
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    I have a lot of patience for draftees developing, except for the ones that I think were poor draft picks and won't become impact players at all.
     
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    The AHL is such a massive step below the NHL. I don't buy the idea that he'll magically put it together by playing with Eichel.

    Would I mind to see him called up just to try it? Not at all. But the most likely outcome is that he'd be invisible.

    I also thought Nylander earned a spot based on his pre-season play but considering his AHL numbers this year I doubt he would have stuck around for long.
     
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    In defense of Nylander I'll say this:

    Martin Necas is seen as a very good prospect and he has 28 points in 40 games. He's 20 years old - same as Nylander. Nylander has 24 in 42.

    So if Necas turns out then we might have hope for Alex lol
     
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    You keep swaying away from the Nylander point and deferring to Mitts or Grigorenko which I don't get. As I pointed out Yes I agree Mitts and Grigs were rushed but it's because they were CENTERS and we were starved for potentially top 6 centers on both occasions. This fact has nothing to do with no Nylander is/was being treated as a one trick pony winger. You're not wrong about Mitts or Grigs but it's not an argument for this topic....
     
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    Is Nylander injured or why isn’t he playing tonight.
     
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    He got hurt in practice last week
     
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    Only on hf boards he is a bust. He could have played in the chl and put up 100 pt seasons....
     
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    Only 4-5 posters here truly believe he’s a bust. 4-5 more don’t like him because ... um like draft position/expectations and stuff. Many I think are more frustrated with the scouting staff/GM he was picked instead of 1 or 2 other guys. But I think the majority are still patient to see how he continues to develop since he’s 20 and seems to making progress. Slow progress.
     
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    You can dispute all you want but you would be wrong. Botts also came out at preseason and said Nylander would get a chance to make the team. He was the best forward and got sent down.
     
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    The best FW, on the whole team? He's not a complete FW, has to work on his game, and he would get eaten up in the NHL right now just so you can feel he was treated fairly by big bad Botts. I thought we were past the time when Buffalo rushed players up that weren't ready.
     
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    Thompson got eaten alive too and he still is more bad than good.
    They could have rotated players earlier not stick to the ones they started the season with.
     
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    What progress? if his slump continues he might have even less pts then last year. plus has he shown anything this year? Bailey stood out more when i went to Amerks games.
     

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