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Part I hit a thousand, so figured that we'd open up a new one.
It's going to be a busy couple months.....
It's going to be a busy couple months.....
A lot of things do not make sense in this whole mess. Some cities will hold out trying to keep an AHL team, others will grab a echl team. Some current cities will have a AHL team that maybe shouldn't.... Its going to be a mixed up mess for a few years......
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Manchester
Adirondack
Utica
Worcester
These are 4 possible landing places.
Dude - you're the one who suggested Utica, not me.
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Thunder Bay is not necessarily an easier call up than St. John's.
Do you know where Thunder Bay is located? Thunder Bay is a 1-hour flight to Winnipeg, and a 1-hour flight to Toronto. The only time it's not an easier call-up is if the Jets are on the road in the Northeastern US.
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There are 41 games the Jets play on the road. It would be easier to get to almost all those locations from the northeast than from St. Johns.
The Jets are in the West, not the East. So, only 16 of those road games are in the East. Like I said before, the overlap between the AHL and NHL schedules is so small that the advantage would be in the range of 10 games.
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There are 4 flights from Syracuse where a player would be able to get to Chicago in time for a 7 PM game. Two are barely in time but still in time.
And how many times do they play in Chicago? Twice?
My point, from the first post, is not that the Jets wouldn't move from St. John's, but rather that there's no obvious landing spot - unlike every other move we've seen. There's no destination that is clearly better for them than St. John's, because none of the potential destinations are very close to Winnipeg. That's all.
Yes I do know where thunder bay is. On northwest side of lake superior. It is not the flight time that matters for squat, its the NUMBER of flights. If there is 1 flight a day it is not convenient for call ups especially considering it is a 7 hour drive through difficult country. It a closer drive to Minneapolis than Winnipeg.
So pretty much anywhere is a better place for call ups than St. Johns. They call it the rock for a reason.
Well then I have happy news for you because there are at least 5 direct flights a day from TBay to Winnipeg.
Many times on this board it has been discussed - and generally agreed - that for a player to be called up on the day of a game they need to be within either driving distance or a short direct flight. None of the cities you mention offer that to Winnipeg. That's been my point all along. Yes, they are physically closer, but no they do not give Winnipeg the option of calling up a player on the day of a game UNLESS the Jets are in the Northeastern US (i.e., east of Chicago). Given that a team in St. John's is on the road to the Northeastern US for half their season, the advantage is minimal (10 games or less).
And it's called The Rock because of the geology, not the location. But please don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
You asked where is a better landing spot than St. John's and you have provided no information to show that St. John's is better for the NHL team or the AHL team than the 4 places I listed. And getting from there to anywhere is much more difficult than from the locations in the northeast that have been mentioned for both call ups and for AHL games.
Not sure how you think being so far away from everything makes it a better place for a hockey team than Worcester, Manchester, Glens Falls, etc.
I didn't say it was a better place than the places you mentioned. I said there are no obviously better places than St. John's for the Jets.
But, since you ask, here's two easy ones:
1) Winnipeg is a small, cold, remote city requiring extensive travel. St. John's is a small, cold, remote city requiring extensive travel. Given than young NHLers often struggle to adapt to the challenges of the NHL schedule - particularly the Western Conference teams - it's not a bad thing to have them preparing for that in the minors.
2) Being in a spotlight. In the winter there is nothing else going on in Winnipeg than the Jets. Ditto for St. John's and their hockey franchise. It's a city of just over 100,000 people that averages nearly 6000 per game attendance. Just as Jets players cannot be anonymous in Winnipeg, IceCaps players can't be anonymous in St. John's. That's good for development.
A lot of things do not make sense in this whole mess. Some cities will hold out trying to keep an AHL team, others will grab a echl team. Some current cities will have a AHL team that maybe shouldn't.... Its going to be a mixed up mess for a few years......
Minor league hockey has ALWAYS been a mixed up mess. That won't change after a few years -- some other thing will happen that will "not make sense" to people who aren't in the middle of trying to make their business venture succeed, and we'll be off on this discussion again. The reason the Death Pool Report was as well-read as it was was because of the constant change and upheaval in minor pro hockey.
"A mixed-up mess" is just the normal state. Embrace it.
A lot of things do not make sense in this whole mess. Some cities will hold out trying to keep an AHL team, others will grab a echl team. Some current cities will have a AHL team that maybe shouldn't.... Its going to be a mixed up mess for a few years......
I ask you to change your perception of who should and shouldn't have an AHL team, because it will change.
If you want to blame the NHL for this, no problem.
That's your opinion. ANY PLACE is obviously better than St. John's. Easier travel schedules for both call ups and for AHL travel. Lower travel costs for both. Easier access to major metropolitan areas. Less chance of being trapped like rats on a sinking ship considering the limited number of ways to access the rock.
Our company treats travel to and from the rock from the US like going to Europe. 2 weeks on site, one week off.
I am glad you think so highly of Winnipeg where nothing else is going on in the winter. Nothing.
The Winnipeg and the St. John's players are as anonymous as they want to be. I have friends that played for the Original Jets, the Moose, the Current Jets, the St. John's Leafs, the Ice Caps, Fredricton, Halifax, Saint John, PEI, as well as a number of people who grew up there that work for the company I work for and EVERYONE I talked to says the rigor to get to and from the Rock is absolutely brutal.
Regarding the rumors surrounding Worcester:
Isn't it true, the primary reason the Sharks were bounced from Cleveland in 2006, is the proximity to both Portland and Manchester having Pacific Division affiliations?
it lasted even when Buffalo arrived after the inglorious 3 year breakup of the Sabres and Rochester....
Ray Edwards was asked during his weekly press conference, and said there's no knowledge that the Sharks are going anywhere, and any reports to the contrary are just that...
Regarding the rumors surrounding Worcester:
Isn't it true, the primary reason the Sharks were bounced from Cleveland in 2006, is the proximity to both Portland and Manchester having Pacific Division affiliations?
it lasted even when Buffalo arrived after the inglorious 3 year breakup of the Sabres and Rochester....
Ray Edwards was asked during his weekly press conference, and said there's no knowledge that the Sharks are going anywhere, and any reports to the contrary are just that...
you really hate the Devils eh?So, is it likely that many of the ECHL teams will trade places with the AHL once all this nonsense is settled?
Having the ECHL ADK Flames is more appealing than the AHL Devils.
Well, it may not be official but it's about as close to being done as it can be.Owner: Sale of Norfolk Admirals nearly a done deal
http://hamptonroads.com/2015/01/owner-sale-norfolk-admirals-nearly-done-deal
He didn't.... It's just Hutch being Hutch.When did Ray Edwards become the definitive resource of all things AHL Westward Expansion?