After trading Marner for Heiskanen, would Leafs be more or less likely to win cup this season?

[Shocker]

Entered thread thinking that's a pretty interesting question, left the thread thinking "Man, Dahlin sure is overrated."

 

[lauraP]

what if I told you points shouldn't be all that significant for a d-man since their primary job is defending.

what if i told you dahlin is the highest scoring 18 year old d-man ever

 

[JoVel]

And despite not getting enough opportunity, that his metrics suggest he clearly deserves, will be the highest scoring teenage defenceman in almost 4 decades, with ****ing outstanding physical play and great defensive stats. He can still be just as good as McDavid, if not better.

Yeah no...

 

[thefutures]

It's funny how people think Heiskanen wouldn't make Colorado better in Makar's place.

How would that make Colorado better? Makar is literally a perfect fit for everything they do.

 

[koyvoo]

what if i told you dahlin is the highest scoring 18 year old d-man ever

Ever? You’d be wrong. Dahlin is the second highest scoring 18 year old ever, 3rd highest PPG for 18 year old defenseman.

 

[lauraP]

Ever? You’d be wrong. Dahlin is the second highest scoring 18 year old ever, 3rd highest PPG for 18 year old defenseman.

Phil housely who is first played half his games at forward his rookie year.

 

[Dr Salt]

what if i told you dahlin is the highest scoring 18 year old d-man ever

what if I told you the down year doesn't refer to last season and points should be a major factor in evaluating a DEFENSEman compared to forwards.

 

[AB13]

what if I told you the down year doesn't refer to last season and points should be a major factor in evaluating a DEFENSEman compared to forwards.

If we use defensive stats instead, Dahlin is still better than Heikanen.

 

[Kcb12345]

Can't believe this thread is still open given the discussion going on being completely irrelevant and the poll results being clear already

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

I could see Heiskanen - Barrie being a pair. Rielly is an offensive minded Dman, same as Makar and Dahlin so it doesn't work.

 

[thadd]

Incorrect. Dahlin may have the edge offensively, but defensively, Dahlin doesn't touch Miro.

I watched Buffalo this week. I don't recall Dahlin doing anything in the d-zone that resembled helpful.

 

[AB13]

I watched Buffalo this week. I don't recall Dahlin doing anything in the d-zone that resembled helpful.

His defensive metrics suggest otherwise, so your eyes are probably decieving you

 

[Mildan]

@mod Can we clean up the Dahlin vs Heiskanen discussion out of this? There are plenty of threads for that pair and this poll has nothing to do with it.

 

[lauraP]

If we use defensive stats instead, Dahlin is still better than Heikanen.

you can say this all you want they won't listen. because if a defence man gets point it means he must be shit at defence.

 

[thadd]

His defensive metrics suggest otherwise, so your eyes are probably decieving you

Not saying he isn't going to be one of the best d-men on the planet in a few years, but Dahlin really did look his age vs Vancouver. Okposo played less than half the time he did and Okposo looked even worse. (Naturally)

 

[oconnor9sean]

Whenever I take a look at the stat sheets, I'm impressed by Makar and Hughes. Both are fantastic talents. But when I actually watch the games, it's Heiskanen that leaves my mouth wide open and my jaw laying on the floor.

Mitch Marner is amazing. In fact, the best Leafs player in my mind. Yet, I can't help but think that the Toronto Maple Leafs would be a better team if Dubas managed to flip Marner for Heiskanen.

I say this with all due respect to McDavid, because he’s the best: Connor McDavid would not score 100 points in this Dallas system.

If you’re looking at Stars’ individual point totals, they’re always going to look like trash. They focus everything on not allowing quality chances against, and everything else is gravy for them. Whether or not it’s a good idea is up for judgment, but that’s the reality right now.

Miro scores 55-60 points this year on a more neutral balanced team.

 

[Dr Salt]

If we use defensive stats instead, Dahlin is still better than Heikanen.

pay attention to the CA/60 and xGA/60 part

 

[JFG]

It's funny how people think Heiskanen wouldn't make Colorado better in Makar's place.

Why? Makar is both better in a vacuum and a great fit for Colorado.

 

[Ainec]

Dahlin is the Better defender statistically. By saying ” he cant defend” you Are letting your agenda shine through. Heiskanen is not becoming a better Playing by you talking down Dahlin using false information. Dahlin is outperforming him offensively and defensively despite being younger and I am sorry, there is no way around that.

He is a brilliant defender statistically. Even if he was a horrendous defender, which could not be further from the truth, he is on pace for a 56 point season, which would be the first time a teenage defenseman scored over 50 since the early 1980s. That would be enough for any team to want him.

Dahlin is generational and along with McDavid the player in the league any Franchise would want. Dahlin and McDavid are in a complete tier of there own as far as young players go.

Heiskanen is not even good enough to be favored against Makar or Hughes, let alone the mightiest of them all in Dahlin.

Lol. You must be sarcastic

 

[shelf]

what if I told you points shouldn't be all that significant for a d-man since their primary job is defending.

A defencemans primary job is to help the team score more than the other team

 

[Klank Loves You]

No chance Heiskanen comes in and adapts to a new team fast enough to make the Leafs better.

 

[catters078]

(Im a stars fan)

Logged into the HF and didnt realise this was hypothetical..

Was like...w...t...fffffff

 

[stopclickbait]

I would take Dahlin over Marner, not just a heiskanen type defencemen.

 

[Panthaz89]

I watched Buffalo this week. I don't recall Dahlin doing anything in the d-zone that resembled helpful.

In his most recent week he had 1 goal and 2 assists in 4 games and the only goal given up with him on the ice was when Montour kicked in his own net....great job.
Weird how all someone has to do is say ____ is better and practically any thread can be derailed.

Marner has been pretty great in every game i've watched him and the puck is almost always on his stick offensively out there just a puck possession monster and takes away the puck pretty often.

 

[supsens]

pay attention to the CA/60 and xGA/60 part
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Isn’t the against part good if negative or close to zero?
Showing Dahlin is playing better D

They are even production wise with more better chances going to Dallas(not resulting in more production) and Dahlin is better at stopping good chances against and corsi against.